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Thanks for the update, Bill! The information from the accident reports certainly lends credence to Doc's long-standing claim that '543 was equipped with the H2X "Mickey" radar set. It would be great if we could only find a photo of '543 that really shows the radar installation.

As '543 for serving overseas, that's a definite "no" in my "humble" opinion. I have a copy of her USAAF service records, and all of her time is accounted for in Stateside activities, with most of the wartime and immediate postwar action taking place out of various airfields in Ohio, followed by lengthy service in New Jersey.

The more information we can find, the better! We should start putting together a "biography" of the life and times of 44-8543!

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First thing....Are you gonna try and post the pictures?!!

This is a great piece of information. The puzzle has been completed. There has been speculation for a long time that she never had a chin turret. This confirms that she did have one when she left the factory. The RADAR dome info is very good to have as well!

The stateside only information is a bit of a let down but I think I always suspected that she didn't serve overseas. Too many B-17's around for her to be brought back to the states and then modified in to a research ship.

I guess the "battle damage" she has was inflicted during the fire ant wars in Alabama!

Thanks Bill for the research and the information!

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Yes Z, I plan on posting the pictures. I'm just having some technical difficulties that I'm working through. The accident reports were sent to me in hard copy form. I scanned them into PDF files with as high of a resolution as I could muster and now my Adobe acrobat is giving me problems. I'll see if I can get them posted tomorrow night. When are you gonna come out and give us a hand?

We're having an all hands on deck volunteer/member meeting at the museum on May 16th to try to rally the troops and get some help working on projects and fundraising. Anyone and everyone who is interested in getting involved with helping is welcome to attend. PM or email me if you want details.

BTW, Thanks to everyone for reading this thread and for all of the support.

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When are you gonna come out and give us a hand?


Dang..no pressure there!?

When time permits Sir! (ie. I gotta have management approval :wink: )

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No pressure Zane. As always, I'm just trying to get people to come out and visit and hopefully lend a hand or at least a dollar or two.

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As promised, here are the pictures I recieved of Chuckie's two accidents. I apologize for the poor quality but apparently they came from microfilm, where they were tiny. The "original" reports I recieved were hard copies that I then scanned into PDF's which I then saved as JPEG's. I plan on ordering better quality photo's printed on photographic paper in the near future but here's what I have for now.

Accident #1
Note damage to chin turret.
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Weather Guinea Pig
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I wish the snow wasn't so deep, we would be able to see the radar dome.
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Tail wheel shoved up in the fuselage which damaged frames and stringers.
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Accident #2 Run in with a Jug
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Wing tip damage
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Wing Tip Damage #2
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And these were the good ones that we recieved!! The first accident happend right at sundown so it was dark when they took the pictures and they didn't exactly have 10 meg digital camera's back then.

I'll post some of the report info in a follow on post in a minute.

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Here's the Form 1A for the day of the take off accident. She was overdue for her first 100 hour inspection! I'd love to meet the Crew Chief PFC Carpenter! (Lower LH corner of the form)
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And here's 1st. Lt. Dennison's statement as to what happened. He was the pilot-in-command at the time of the accident.
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Great detective work! Bit by bit filling in the holes in her history.


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At the time of the first accident, '543 was fully equipped with turrets and guns, including the radio compartment gun (I think you can see the gun barrel protruding from the top hatch, although the photo is mighty grainy).

At the time of the second accident, the turrets and guns were definitely gone. It looks like the astrodome may have been removed from the nose and the opening faired over, although it's tough to tell for sure from the photo. We have photos of '543 on the ramp at Teterboro, and at that time she definitely did not have the astrodome installed.

Yeah, Bill, we need to scrape together the money to purchase the real photographs. We need the detail as a reference!

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Yup, I'm all for getting better prints of the photo's. Did you notice on the one picture of the wing tip it has our S/N and also what I believe is that of the P-47 "45-837" I wonder if that P-47 is still around anywhere?

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Hmmmm, 45-837 seems to come back to a C-54 contract that was cancelled.....Just gotta love old records!!! :wink:


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If anyone wants to see a little in-progress report on flight control rigging I can post something in the next couple of days. We're hoping to finish checking flight control throws and recording cable tensions today. I've only found a couple of very minor squawks so far--this is a very well maintained machine.

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As Scott mentioned the flight control cables and travels have pretty much been checked and next will be the tail wheel and flight control lock cables, followed by the engine control cables. I can't thank Scott and Ellen enough for doing this tedious, difficult job! You guys are awesome!!

We're just about to wrap up the engine inspections and begin moving forward on repairing some of the minor dings, cracks and dents in the cowlings and one area of corrosion on the belly just forward of the radar dome hole (as we now know that it was!) in the camera well. We also have to finish inspecting the rest of the wings and fuselage and then comes the fun part, the landing gear. Rumor has it that we are going to have to do some rebushing. Just the job for our new machinist volunteer and our machine shop that he has been working on getting cleaned up and useable.

If any of our WIX friends are looking for a warbird to work on, and need more information, we are having a member/volunteer meeting this Saturday the 16th at 4:30pm at the hangar. You are more than welcome to come out and find out more about us and come and give us a hand. There is no shortage of work to be done. Just ask Second Air Force aka Scott or Dean! Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Thanks for the interest, I never thought we would be up over 3000 views! (ok, I admit it most of them were me!) :roll: :lol:

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Rigging is really a fun exercise for me, Bill--it's not nearly so tedious as all that. Here are a couple of excerpts from the Maintenance and Parts Manuals for the B-17 that make a rigger happy:

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Fun stuff for some of us, a form of occult torture to others. :shock:

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Seeing the beautiful finish on the F-86 on Sabremech's thread is a real inspiration, so I thought I'd post a couple of photos we took of the VFM Sabre this past weekend. Bill, Dean, and I opened up both gunbay access panels and a couple of other service panels and looked around, and the old girl doesn't look too bad in there.

Right gun bay:
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Left bay:
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Boresighting info on the left bay door:
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And since this thread is really about Chuckie, here is a cool zap sticker that is located on the rear fuselage main entry door. Also note the really neat Boeing decal above it:
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I've got a rigging update in the hopper--I'll try to get it posted soon.

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