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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:58 am 
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eze240 wrote:
Coming from a fueling background, if the aircraft was not fitted with reduced size fuel caps, it could well fit the Hoover nozzle for Jet A in it.... I seriously doubt that scenario, due to the fact that someone would have noted the Jet placards on the truck, etc.....
There is another possibility.....it's remotely possible that the truck itself could have been filled improperly with Jet.... The trucks come in a variety of sizes and shapes, if they use a "bottom" type fill system for both AV gas and Jet, it is possible that a poorly trained/inexperienced operator could mix it up, I don't recall off hand if there was a difference in size of such fill nozzles for both fuel types...however, the nozzles are the same size for Jet for filling the truck and connecting to the aircraft....
There's also the possibility that it both types of fuel are "top" loaded, using an overhead hose system, etc... An inexperienced operator could mix up the loading of the truck from this direction as well...

Exactly what I was thinking, the truck. And those type of mistakes can happen. I have done similar things when I was a kid.
Only it was an octane mix up while fueling a plane. The real test is what fuel is in the carburetors.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:55 am 
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Think this has some good info for us to keep in mind going forward.

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/communi ... lts.74702/


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:56 am 
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Hamilton H-37500 wrote:
The Colllings Foundation sent out an email to supporters this morning:

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Dear supporters,

Please join the Collings Foundation in our thoughts and prayers with those who were on the tragic flight of the B-17 Flying Fortress “Nine-O-Nine” on Wednesday, October 2nd. We will be forever grateful to the heroic efforts of the first responders at Bradley International Airport and the assistance of all local agencies in the days after the crash.

The Collings Foundation team has been and remains fully cooperative with officials to determine the cause of the crash and we will comment further when facts and details become available. We have suspended the Wings of Freedom Tour for the remainder of the 2019 season and the aircraft have returned to our winter maintenance base in Florida.

The mission of the Collings Foundation remains steadfast in the goal of making history come alive as we have for over 30 years. Since 1989, the Wings of Freedom Tour has touched the lives of millions, as we have made visits to over 3600 communities in that time. Tens of thousands have flown aboard our Living History Flight Experiences (LHFE) on the B-17, B-24, B-25, and A-1E and flight training on the TP-51C, TF-51D, and TP-40N. In the past week we have received many stories on how powerful and life-changing the tour has been for families and as we move forward, and we expect there are thousands more who have been touched by the Wings of Freedom Tour.

In the coming months, federal agencies will be reviewing the LHFE program for not only our organization, but many other organizations nationwide who continue to fly vintage aircraft as a part of their educational mission. As these reviews take place, we feel it is important for the voices of those impacted by the Wings of Freedom Tour over the years to be heard. We need to let federal agencies know that the LHFE program is important to you and other American citizens as an educational tool.

Please take a moment to add your comments to the current docket regarding the renewal of the Collings Foundation LHFE program with the FAA at the Federal Register. You may do so online at the following link:


https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=F ... 11089-0096


As you write your comment, please review the tips for submitting effective comments from Regulations.gov at https://www.regulations.gov/docs/Tips_F ... mments.pdf

Thank you for your support of our living history mission.

Best regards,
Rob Collings
Executive Director


This should be under its own thread alone so that others can easily find it


This should be a sticky at the top of the forum.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:35 am 
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Assuming the aircraft was insured, the wreckage will be the property of the insurance company once the NTSB releases it. It is up to them to dispose of. Once it is declared a total loss, it is no longer CF's property unless they opt to buy it back.
That's not exactly how that works. I've been in the insurance business for almost 20 years now and retaining salvage is very common in the wheeled vehicle world, throughout the entire process and some policies allow for salvage issues even in total losses. I can't say exactly how it works for each aviation insurance company, but retaining salvage, I'd bet, is a common thing for antique aircraft, no matter how badly damaged they are. That said, establishing the salvage value of a B-17 partial wing, tail and charred components would be quite a challenge.

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Some of the hosts of the Airplane Geeks podcasts met up with the Wings of Freedom tour just a week before the crash. They recount the story of their visit with them, share their chat with pilot Mac McCauley and talk about regulations for warbird flights. One of the other hosts is on the CAF B-29 crew.
There is no speculation around the cause of the crash.

http://www.airplanegeeks.com/2019/10/09 ... tion-b-17/
Segment starts at 26:50, talk with Mac (which starts with questions about the turbosuperchargers) is at 44:30


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:00 pm 
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We just had a plane go down in Indiana for that exact reason...

https://fox59.com/2019/10/10/use-of-jet ... b-reports/


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:41 pm 
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A notification for this came up on my phone the other day and I forgot to post it.


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WINDSOR LOCKS, Conn. (WWLP) – The last of the Collings Foundation vintage World War II aircraft have departed Bradley International Airport. Before takeoff, the B-25 crew requested permission from the air traffic control tower to take an extra minute on the runway before taking off.

In that minute, the crew made an emotional tribute to those involved in the deadly B-17 crash. Listen to the full audio below:

B-25: Hey, uh, tower B-25 any chance to take a second to say something?

Tower: Go head.

B-25: This is difficult, but bear with us… I think for everybody here, our crew, and the entire Collings Foundation, we’re very appreciative and deeply sorrow for everything. To all of you here at the airport, the people of Connecticut, and especially those families that were involved in this tragedy this week. On a personal note, and I guess it’s even more difficult, because we never do it, but uh…we got to leave behind two of our friends Mac and Mike and our brothers and fellow crew. Also a salute to our good ol’ friend, the 909.

[inaudible] B-25s ready for departure.

Tower: Thank you very much, I’ll pass the word along. Runway 6 cleared for takeoff.

B-25: Clear to go, Runway 6, 3476G. Thank you guys.

Tower: Safe journeys, guys.


Audio here: https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-new ... g-bradley/

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I was contacted by News Channel 3 today to talk about the crash and the Collings Foundation. They wanted to interview me in person but I couldn't (being at work) so I sent them Jerry O'Neill's contact info. I was, however, able to do a quick "phoner". Anything to help out the CF.
https://www.wfsb.com/news/video-owner-of-crashed-b--seeks-renewal-of-flight/video_86ba813a-4058-5fa3-8426-04f809457d55.html

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I was contacted by News Channel 3 today to talk about the crash and the Collings Foundation. They wanted to interview me in person but I couldn't (being at work) so I sent them Jerry O'Neill's contact info. I was, however, able to do a quick "phoner". Anything to help out the CF.
https://www.wfsb.com/news/video-owner-of-crashed-b--seeks-renewal-of-flight/video_86ba813a-4058-5fa3-8426-04f809457d55.html



Great work today! You and jerry

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:28 pm 
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Kudos Jerry and Chris...and to News Channel 3 for airing your input.

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Good job guys... :wink:

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Nice job Chris and Jerry. Thanks for getting the word out.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:00 am 
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+1 on the great job.

CF will survive and thrive ...

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:14 am 
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Nice work Guy's,

FYI for everyone, I have been checking Senator Loudmouth/Asshate Congressional schedule and so far he hasn't asked to speak with the FAA or NTSB yet nor has he introduced any bills that would/could affect Warbirds. Since I have a friend who works on the Hill she will be keeping me advised if he introduce or asks for a meeting with either the FAA or NTSB


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Nice work Guy's,

FYI for everyone, I have been checking Senator Loudmouth/Asshate Congressional schedule and so far he hasn't asked to speak with the FAA or NTSB yet nor has he introduced any bills that would/could affect Warbirds. Since I have a friend who works on the Hill she will be keeping me advised if he introduce or asks for a meeting with either the FAA or NTSB



Thank you! Mr. Vietnam,( oh I mean I wasn’t there,) will hopefully go away

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