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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:00 pm 
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There are literally more jet warbirds flying in the US now, than at any other time. Most are L-39’s, but the fact still remains. As to the rest...there are 2 flying F-100’s, the F-4 last flew in December 2019 and could fly tomorrow if needed, the 2 airworthy F-104’s have now expanded to nearly 6 on a contract for NASA, there are about 20 civilian A-4s with more in the pipeline, and the F-14 is likely to never happen because there are no candidates to be had.


Art Nalls Harrier....


Also, T-2Cs and are there any A-37s here?
Not to mention Tucanos and PC-7/9s.I

Do any of the civil MiG-29s still fly?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:15 pm 
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More of a general feeling question.....if any of you warbird folks lost a family member in this mishap or any other warbird mishap, would you sue?

For myself....I don't know. It would depend on the facts that come out of the various official investigations. In this case, the lawyers are scatter-gunning for any "gotcha" angle (ie...carrying metal chocks) to pile on and gin up any award amount for the clients and themselves. As a former fixer/flyer....to me that is not a factor and that would not push me to sue. Intentional neglect in fixing or flying....maybe.

This is a valid question. My comparison to the situation is the Galloping Ghost accident. I witnessed it, luckily wasn’t affected physically and neither were family members. Out of the dozen killed and 60 or so injured (some of them life altering), I think there were maybe 1 or 2 lawsuits IIRC. The Reno community is incredibly tight knit and the last thing any of the survivors or family members wanted to do was hurt the races and potentially kill them entirely. The affected were mostly box seat members and plenty of them had been going for 20, 30, 40 years and Reno is in their blood.

When it comes to warbird operations, rides, etc., me in particular I’m really not sure. Reno I would never sue for the same reason as stated above, but in a situation like Collings, if my not suing meant the continuation of warbird rides and operations and the continuation of Collings, no chance I would sue. But in this case, with some of the other family member’s suing, I would probably consider, especially if I felt suing would help the situation of losing someone in my family.


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Thanks for the explanation. Do these self-developed manuals have to go thru any type of future FAA review to check for currency or out of date info?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:21 am 
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It clearly depends how egregious any operator failings were?
I would hope as aviation enthusiasts we'd know the difference between a calculated risk of flying in a 75 year old aircraft (and the potential for a part failure) and out and out negligence or misconduct.

Just don't assume for a second that the attorneys are out for justice, as stated above, they'll be looking for anything that makes the operator (or anyone else with "deep pockets") look bad in an attempt to get more money...remember, they get 30-40% from those who actually suffered.

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JohnB wrote:

There are literally more jet warbirds flying in the US now, than at any other time. Most are L-39’s, but the fact still remains. As to the rest...there are 2 flying F-100’s, the F-4 last flew in December 2019 and could fly tomorrow if needed, the 2 airworthy F-104’s have now expanded to nearly 6 on a contract for NASA, there are about 20 civilian A-4s with more in the pipeline, and the F-14 is likely to never happen because there are no candidates to be had.



Really, no F-14's ??

Send somebody to Iran with deep pockets (or 3-5 airworthy Mig 29's) and I am sure they will sell you a F-14A

Bigger question is you can never register it in the United States, but willing to bet you can get it registered in England


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There are literally more jet warbirds flying in the US now, than at any other time. Most are L-39’s, but the fact still remains. As to the rest...there are 2 flying F-100’s, the F-4 last flew in December 2019 and could fly tomorrow if needed, the 2 airworthy F-104’s have now expanded to nearly 6 on a contract for NASA, there are about 20 civilian A-4s with more in the pipeline, and the F-14 is likely to never happen because there are no candidates to be had.



Really, no F-14's ??

Send somebody to Iran with deep pockets (or 3-5 airworthy Mig 29's) and I am sure they will sell you a F-14A

Bigger question is you can never register it in the United States, but willing to bet you can get it registered in England


Not a chance in the UK :lol:

But that depends on your definition of registered?

Yes, the CAA will take your money and allocate a G-**** for one, just as they did for the ex-RAF Lightnings back in the late 80's and early 90's.................but the UK CAA will never let a 'complex' category ex-military aircraft fly in civilian ownership in the UK without OEM support and design authority support.......and you are not going to get that for a F-14, let alone one that has been seriously changed from original spec by the Iranians (and that's without the political issues)


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After the Hunter crash any historic jet in the Uk has a hard time getting back in the air.

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