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cwmc · **Joined:** Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:43 am **Posts:** 322

Cool shots, I wonder where the engine was out of NX1204?
Chris...

sledge39 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 262

cwmc wrote:

Cool shots, I wonder where the engine was out of NX1204?
Chris...

...not too far away..

...by 19xx NX1204 was reassembled and placed level on jacks with the gear up in front of Paul Mantz' "Flightarama" museum...

...shown here in June, 1961 after "Flightarama" closed...

...and awaiting construction of the "Movieland of the Air" building after Frank Tallman joined forces with Mantz...

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:47 pm

jdvoss wrote:

Stinson L-1 Vigilant

Photographed at Orange County Airport circa 1958-59. At one point in time I did see this same aircraft on amphibious floats.

Those are typical camera mounts for the era. the later image has the short mount under the right wing. Mantz used that or one very similar under his Boeing 100 as a camera mount also.
Jerry

cwmc · **Joined:** Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:43 am **Posts:** 322

sledge39 wrote:

cwmc wrote:

Cool shots, I wonder where the engine was out of NX1204?
Chris...

...not too far away..

...by 19xx NX1204 was reassembled and placed level on jacks with the gear up in front of Paul Mantz' "Flightarama" museum...

...shown here in June, 1961 after "Flightarama" closed...

...and awaiting construction of the "Movieland of the Air" building after Frank Tallman joined forces with Mantz...

It looks so ripe for a nice clean up and annual. Ready ahead of time for the '64 Harrah's cross country race.
Chris...

55bloke · **Joined:** Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:02 am **Posts:** 3

A couple of poor quality scans of 35mm slides, taken in the late '70s. Location, Criel, Northern France. I.G.N. B17s photographed surreptitiously from inside my dad's car, as they shared the airfield with the French Airforce.

To the left of the 1st photo can be seen two "hangar queens" mouldering away in the undergrowth. The far one, which can hardly be seen, I recall as still being in Olive Drab, and with the cheek gun windows still in place. Didn't have the courage to get out the car and take better pics!

sledge39 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 262

jdvoss wrote:

General Motors- built Grumman TBM Grumman Avenger photographed at Orange County Airport (CA) circa 1958.

...Hmmm...according to Baugher..N9394H was indeed a TBM mfg. by General Motors, not a TBF mfg. by Grumman

45445/46444 General Motors TBM-1C Avenger

TBM-1C 46122 registered in 1954 to Paul Mantz Air Services of Los Angeles, CA as N9394H and used for fireboming

http://www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/ ... ries5.html

jdvoss · **Posted:** Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:52 pm

Great news! I found one more photo from the Orange County Airport (CA) 1958-59. Note B-25, P-51 and L-1 in the background. I still remain amazed at the quality of the photos taken by my Argus C-3 35 mm camera over 50 years ago.

WallyB · **Posted:** Mon Feb 06, 2012 5:54 pm

jdvoss wrote:

Also, interesting history on the PB4Y Privateer. However, if the Honduran AF purchased it in 1956 and I photographed in 1958-59 and it was still in faded USN markings I have to surmise that they didn't take delivery immediately upon purchase.

Both sources quote 12/1956 as the sale date, although one may well have copied the other ! Anyway these dates are always open to dispute, leaving aside the question of why the Hondurans wanted PB4Ys at all.

gary1954 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:26 pm

Did Weeks keep this airframe in this original Mantz theme or has it changed

...Paul Mantz' cross-country racer P-51C NX1204 at Santa Ana (SNA) 1958.

...now with Weeks...

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Dwhart24 · **Joined:** Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:29 pm **Posts:** 83

gary1954 wrote:

Did Weeks keep this airframe in this original Mantz theme or has it changed

...Paul Mantz' cross-country racer P-51C NX1204 at Santa Ana (SNA) 1958.

...now with Weeks...

[/quote]

This is what it looks like now.

P-51C by dwhart24, on Flickr

P-51C Mustang by dwhart24, on Flickr

sledge39 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 262

...anouther view of FG-1D N63382 at SNA-Mantz August 1957...

owned by Cook Cleland Air Service 1946-1949...

Raced in Bendix in 1946 and '47 with large centerline fuel tank and an internal tank behind the pilot

. 1946 Bendix "Race 90" pilot Thomas Call -finished 15th

. 1947 Bendix "Race 99" pilot Frank Whitton -finished 7th

later owned by Chance Vought Corp

owned by Paul Mantz and Tallmantz 1955-66

now with Weeks

vernicator · **Joined:** Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:42 am **Posts:** 350

Ztex wrote:

CAPFlyer...is it this one?

Too cool! This Canso used to be CF-JJG with Kenting surveys and operated out of my local airport here in Ottawa, Canada when I was a kid. It eventually got sold to, I believe, Bruce Redding some time in the mid 80's.

http://www.www.calgarymosquitosociety.com/feature26/feature26.htm

sledge39 · **Joined:** Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:01 pm **Posts:** 262

...a few pictures of N40A...

...Dick Martin taxiing for takeoff at SNA June 1959...

...Mira Slovak at Reno '72...

David Legg · **Joined:** Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:07 pm **Posts:** 334

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Too cool! This used to Canso used to be CF-JJG with Kenting surveys and operated out of my local airport here in Ottawa, Canada when I was a kid. It eventually got sold to, I believe, Bruce Redding some time in the mid 80's. [/quote]

This Catalina is still extant in the UK (as N423RS) although not currently airworthy inasmuch as it is some considerable time since it took to the air. It is due to fly to the USA at some point on delivery to its current owners. Strictly it is not a Canso as it was not ordered on a RCAF contract but was in fact an ex-US Navy PBY-5A Catalina BuAer48423. That is not to say that Kenting didn't colloquially refer to it as a 'Canso' of course.

Steve Nelson · **Posted:** Tue Feb 07, 2012 5:21 pm

55bloke wrote:

A couple of poor quality scans of 35mm slides, taken in the late '70s. Location, Criel, Northern France. I.G.N. B17s photographed surreptitiously from inside my dad's car, as they shared the airfield with the French Airforce.

To the left of the 1st photo can be seen two "hangar queens" mouldering away in the undergrowth.

I'm not sure, but I think that "hangar queen" seen poking out from under the trees may be "Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby."

SN

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