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Wolverine,

Sounds like it was fun while it lasted. I know most of our museums here on the west coast are always looking for volunteers. Hopefully you can hook up with one in your area............

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Looks like Boeing are being very short-stighted and corporate. Thus we shall measure them.

Wolverine, you are showing a very mature attitude about the whole thing. Keep going.

The good news is you'll inevitably become old enough to rejoin the team (trust me on this ;) ) so you are ahead of some of the oldies who can't stay working on old aircraft.

I'm sure Doc's loss will be someone ele's gain.

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Don't let this small problem dampen your enthusiasm; there are other areas in aviation where you can volunteer your enthusiasm and efforts.

Probably things have changed at Boeing since 9/11; when I visited DOC before that date, I was allowed -escorted of course- a visit, and as many shots of the airplane as I could take.

B-29 at the KSAVM:

These are but a few photos of the B-29 parts at the Kansas aviation Museum:

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Everybody who is still speculating about why a minor can't go there ---please read my earlier posts. Doc has been moved. This has nothing to do with 9/11 or anything like that (but if it does, then it has to do with the fact that Doc is now located on property used as an active AFB and by Boeing). If I was in their shoes, I would do things a little differently, but since the President's airplane is next door, it might not be a good thing (I know this because there is an aircraft over there-that you can see from the KAM-that is painted as a Presidental aircraft. Its a 757 or something) I've seen Air Force One there before, and I have seen the AirBorne Laser there too (Boeing open house for the ABL, airshow for AF1)


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BTW, nice pics Tulio.

The stuff is now moved to the South Side of the museum, which is where the Doc hangar is going.


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Jack Cook wrote:
I've heard some stupid/ignorant/shortsighted BS in my time but this is a new one. If someone in a position of responcibility put in some effort here, this could be solved. The idea is to encourage young folks not discourage them. I HOPE THIS WORKS OUT FOR YOU!!

Can't agree with you more Jack. I also think Wolverine is taking this very mature, and I wish you the best of luck whichever group you may join. I wrote a post about the same kind of scenario on a different forum, and will enclose it here as a lesson on how not to do things! :(

back in time T J Johansen wrote:
I remember back around 1985-86 a friend and I joined the then embryonic Warbirds of Norway (WoN) group. At the first members meet we attended we were met with disbelief from a certain board member. (We were 15 and 16) He was not interested in having us as members as he felt the responsibility of having kids around props too great. Seem to remember that he said something about an accident involving his old archery club where a kid got hit, and bla, bla, bla. There were some discussion amongst the board but he got his way, we got back our membership fee and hasta la vista! :shock: :( Around the same time we met Anders Sæther at North Weald with the P-51 which had just been ferried across to Norway (He was also on the board at WoN), and he asked if we where members of the WoN. I told him of what had transpired at the infamous meet (he had not been there), and he just replied "we'll see about that". At the next annual meeting the bulls**t was cut through without mercy, and a new junior membership was established. Too late for my friend who felt that old airplanes and those involved with them s**ked to high heaven. :cry: I have to say I agreed with him at that time but kept on, and I'm still interested in aviation today. Point of all this is to actually embrace people who are interested, and especially the young. Something like this will certainly be a make or break factor for a youth with the interest who gets the door shoved in his face! If you are 25 you take it and pursue a different road to uphold your interest. At 15 you feel unappreciated, and that drinking beer and smoking weed is much cooler after all...

T J

We also went to North Weald for the Fighter Meet in 1986. I had been in touch with the guy in charge of the Harvard Formation Team, and when we dropped by his office to say hello he just told us to report to the airfield the next morning. So for the Thursday and Friday prior to the show we were issued clothrags and told to clean the Beech 18 and Harvards. In return we were treated to rides in the Beech each evening, see all the early arrivals, and generally being in the midst of everything. Do you think we felt as though we were 10 ft tall! 8)

My friend is a very resourceful guy and could have done lots of good within the historic aviation fraternity. Instead they lost an interested soul to other venues. And this in a time where parents complain about kids not doing anything constructive, it all sounds just too unreal!

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Looks like Boeing are being very short-stighted and corporate. Thus we shall measure them.
If you accept the support of of a major corporation there are certain rules that must be complied with. Deal with it! Where do you suspect this project would be without Boeing's support? Yes, Wolverine does have a very mature attitude about this. Kudos to him for understanding and still providing support from the outside.


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100 % correct bdk!!!! in this sue happy world!!!! as to you wolverine i salute you in your interest & devotion to the project, because so many kids today are just plain dumb, lazy, & into nothing but themselves, have no interests, hobbies etc . no offense to any other kids, i know there are alot of good 1's i'm just speaking out their too!! and no offense to parents.... i'm 1 with 4 kids.... all teens to, i'm lucky that 3 of my kids are of the quality of you wolverine!!! i wish you the best of luck, be patient until you hit 18. or maybe you could help with another historical project from not such a big company or organization, because i'm sure they have alot of red tape + more than most people can cut. keep at kid!! all the best, tom

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It's not just Boeing. Liability is everywhere. The Place that I work has a "Family Day" but those under 18 are not allowed on the shop floor. Fortunately, I am based out of the office so my son was able to see where I work. I understand the liability issue very well as several times I have been on the recieving end of stray metal turnings and such just walking thru the shop and the machines are very well guarded.

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