Is this a B25?

Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

My opening post did not make it through the moderator's filter. So this post deletes any reference to missing flyers prior to WWII and asks is this image (in my next post) a B25? The expected path of the missing B25 flight 1944 Canton to Tututila is shown in this GE screen grab.[url][URL=http://s32.photobucket.com/user/tmax123/media/CantontoTutuila_zpskymrajbn.png.html]

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Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

Does this 2006 GE image show an aircraft at the bottom of the Orona lagoon and is that aircraft a B25. A USMC B25 (PBJ) went missing on flight from Canton to Tutuila. A very few people (one other person on a different forum) have said it could be a B25. One other person on a different forum thinks it could be a different type of aircraft. What would be the best way to analysis this image to show that it might be a B25. The folks at Scripps Institute/Bent Prop Project Recovery have never responded, probably thinking it's just coral rocks and my imagination. But if I can show thru some logical analysis method that it might be a B25 then they would show interest and maybe want to investigate. The annotations of airframe parts are my own subjective interpretation.[url][URL=http://s32.photobucket.com/user/tmax123/media/OronaL10E_zps5mnafg49.jpg.html]

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Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

The flight path would pass very close to Manra on the left or east of the path and Orona on the right or west of the path. If at cruise altitude, both islands would be visible in clear weather.

K5DH · **Posted:** Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:40 pm

Looks like a Lockheed twin (Lodestar, Hudson, Ventura, Harpoon) to me. Short nose and longer aft fuselage don't match B-25.

Snake45 · **Joined:** Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:49 pm **Posts:** 864

K5DH wrote:

Looks like a Lockheed twin (Lodestar, Hudson, Ventura, Harpoon) to me. Short nose and longer aft fuselage don't match B-25.

That's exactly what I thought, too. Or maybe a Twin Beech--similar proportions.

Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

Google Earth measurements nose to tail are 50-51 feet; very close to the 53' often cited for the B25. If the nose is buried in the sandy lagoon bottom, that would account for the extra 2-3 feet. I read somewhere that the Marines frequently modified their PBJ version and replaced the forward glass canopy with an all metal housing as the nose was beefed up structurally to house more guns. That might account for the smooth nose appearance.

K5DH · **Posted:** Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:17 pm

I still say it's a Lockheed twin. The engines are too close to the fuselage for a B-25, and the distance from the wing to the tailplane is too long for a B-25. As always, happy to be proven wrong.

old iron · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:54 am

Does not look like the nose and cabin line up to me. Would the "liferaft" be located so close the the airplane itself?

These fuzzy images could be random things. There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking here.

Any word on how deep the water is at this location? If shallow, this could just be a dumping ground for barrels and other refuse. Two barrels close together and aligned right, and let the imagination do the rest...

Courier Sportster · **Joined:** Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:03 am **Posts:** 319

that tigger guy could probably conjure some aviation shapes if we passed a hat

sandiego89 · **Joined:** Mon May 21, 2012 12:28 pm **Posts:** 1161

I would opine that a life raft would be long gone.....

I bet rocks.

quemerford · **Joined:** Tue Jun 17, 2014 4:19 pm **Posts:** 1387

Courier Sportster wrote:

that tigger guy could probably conjure some aviation shapes if we passed a hat

Squint a bit and it looks like an early 20th Century aviator, waving from the window of a twin-engine aircraft. Beech twin - no Lockheed. Definitely Lockheed. Looks like a female aviator too. With an older chap with her.

I'll launch a vactio.. sorry - expedition - immediately!

dors · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:00 pm

K5DH wrote:

I still say it's a Lockheed twin. The engines are too close to the fuselage for a B-25, and the distance from the wing to the tailplane is too long for a B-25. As always, happy to be proven wrong.

This was my exact observation. I agree that it looks Lockheed.

Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

The Lodestar 18? by K5DH seems a good fit; cited length is 49+ feet. So that would fit with the 50' measure by the GE ruler. How does one initiate a poll to find what others think?

2banaviator · **Posted:** Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:40 pm

Could the route of Earhart's Lockheed Electra 10 perhaps pass this way?

Just wunderin'...

Tom Maxwell · **Joined:** Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:11 pm **Posts:** 26

That would require passing thru to the alternate parallel universe of disappearance theory. I don't think the moderator would like to do that.

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