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Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Warbird Digest
Final Cut-The Post War B-17 Flying Fortress and Survivors - 5th Edition


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:37 am 
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I would be more sympathetic toward this view if they had done something with the B-17D The Swoose in the half century they had the airplane. This rare artifact of the early days of World War II and the only existent example of the shark finned B-17s was virtually ignored by the NASM. Granted, Paul Garber saved the airplane, but that's all the NASM did with it. It is to be a challenging job to restore it, no doubt, and one hopes the NMUSAF will turn some attention towards it in the near future. The NASM, at the least, could have reassembled the airplane and put it on display at the Udvar-Hazy Center in its current condition.


Scott, I understand your point (biased though you may be in favor of B-17s... but that is very much a good thing!) and I would be the first to agree that there have been some very significant oversights through the years, with the Swoose situation ranking near the top of that list. However, you'll note that the NASM placed it with the NMUSAF to get it into the restoration queue quicker, and to take advantage of their space, equipment, and trained personnel who are wrapping up the Belle project; I think that reflects very positively on the current NASM leadership, that they are working to make elements of the collection more accessible. Their partnership with the Air Zoo on the XP-55 restoration is another great example of getting a rare and significant type out of storage and on display by partnering with a group who has the talent and space to make it happen.

Now, if you want to talk about a REAL "WTF?!" situation, let's discuss the complete lack of a B-24 anywhere within the NASM system... that certainly can't be blamed on anyone within the past couple of generations but it's still a glaring oversight. :)

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Lynn,

Yes, I would agree that the current philosophy of the NASM is improved...examples being the B-17D and B-17G (ex air tanker 44-83814) being sent to other museums for display.

As for the B-24, yes an oversight and reflects generally on the unfortunate oversight of that type....

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Lynn,

Yes, I would agree that the current philosophy of the NASM is improved...examples being the B-17D and B-17G (ex air tanker 44-83814) being sent to other museums for display.

As for the B-24, yes an oversight and reflects generally on the unfortunate oversight of that type....


You can add to this list the Vought V-173 flying pancake at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas. I thought I'd never see that thing in real life when I was a kid. Now I take my kid to see it three or four times a year.


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I have to add something about the NASMs "neglect" of the Swoose - if they had restored it years ago, before the Hazy center, where would they put it? Smaller aircraft they could rotate through the Mall, other museums, but a B-17? Put it back outside? Just my two cents...


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I have to add something about the NASMs "neglect" of the Swoose - if they had restored it years ago, before the Hazy center, where would they put it? Smaller aircraft they could rotate through the Mall, other museums, but a B-17? Put it back outside? Just my two cents...

A similar situation exists today at the NMUASF. When the Swoose is restored (15 years down the road or more), where will they put it?

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would be great if they could put the Swoose on the ramp with the Belle and all the fly-in aircraft for a photo op, at least.

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I'm sure the NMUSAF would really love to have the Belle photographed beside the Movie Memphis Belle! :lol:

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I'm sure the NMUSAF would really love to have the Belle photographed beside the Movie Memphis Belle! :lol:

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One of my favorite parts about the Movie Belle is her "patina"..

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I'm sure the NMUSAF would really love to have the Belle photographed beside the Movie Memphis Belle! :lol:

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I would like to see the Memphis Belle and the ShooShooShooBaby parked side by side for photos before SSSB goes into long term storage.

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I'm sure they wouldnt do this but it would be nice if the NMUSAF repurposed the old R&D and Presidential hangars back to their original purpose and make them an annex again. It would be an opportunity to display items like SSSB plus several other aircraft that have been off display and in storage for years.


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I'm sure they wouldnt do this but it would be nice if the NMUSAF repurposed the old R&D and Presidential hangars back to their original purpose and make them an annex again. It would be an opportunity to display items like SSSB plus several other aircraft that have been off display and in storage for years.

Yes! A good idea. I would like to see the C-39 on display there along with the SSSB!

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I'm sure they wouldnt do this but it would be nice if the NMUSAF repurposed the old R&D and Presidential hangars back to their original purpose and make them an annex again. It would be an opportunity to display items like SSSB plus several other aircraft that have been off display and in storage for years.


I don't remember the exact amount but the cost of transporting visitors to the annex was tremendous ... Keeping in mind there is NO admission fee .

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Pat Carry wrote:
mexchiwa wrote:
I have to add something about the NASMs "neglect" of the Swoose - if they had restored it years ago, before the Hazy center, where would they put it? Smaller aircraft they could rotate through the Mall, other museums, but a B-17? Put it back outside? Just my two cents...

A similar situation exists today at the NMUASF. When the Swoose is restored (15 years down the road or more), where will they put it?


By then the 5th Building should be finished ...

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Where do they intend to put that building?


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Misterg97 wrote:
PhantomII wrote:
I'm sure they wouldnt do this but it would be nice if the NMUSAF repurposed the old R&D and Presidential hangars back to their original purpose and make them an annex again. It would be an opportunity to display items like SSSB plus several other aircraft that have been off display and in storage for years.


I don't remember the exact amount but the cost of transporting visitors to the annex was tremendous ... Keeping in mind there is NO admission fee .


I can imagine it was by no means cheap. It's too bad people would probably balk at paying to see something like that, I wouldnt hesitate to pay if needed to make it happen.


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