Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:31 pm
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Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:03 pm
JohnTerrell wrote:A friend and I were just talking about the Warbirds Digest article on "Lope's Hope 3rd" a couple days ago, and the attention to detail in the restoration and the lengths that AirCorps went to not leave any stone unturned, making absolutely no compromises at all to achieve the greatest level of authenticity/accuracy to the way that aircraft would have been when it rolled out of the factory in '44, down to every last nut and bolt and material. One thing that was mentioned in our discussion, however, was that if someone wanted to really achieve the look of a Mustang that has actually arrived in Theatre and combat-operational, you would have to spray it and scrub it down with gasoline, just like they did back then to wash the aircraft (obviously not going to happen).
Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:09 pm
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Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:56 pm
Joe Scheil wrote:John, Your great Knowledge of the subject really adds to our understanding of the Mustang as it is restored today.
Perhaps the discussion on restorations and how they are “judged” in shows should take place. The thread brings up the utter pointlessness of having a “shootout” between accurate authentic Mustangs, or even a Mustang against an equally perfect SBD for a winner take all trophy. It’s damaging to the industry to have five perfect warbirds enter a judged event, with one winner and four losers.
Shouldn’t the “judged” events of the future be based on a different goal?
Each aircraft could be certified as to it’s correctness and authenticity against what is understood to be correct for that type. The variances of each individual aircraft can be preserved or duplicated as it was to maintain and enhance what we currently understand about each type. Further, the verification of the correctness doesn’t mean an aircraft can compete once, or be a winner once. It could be judged as 94.6 percent correct and then again after more is corrected, even higher. Additionally an aircraft does not beat another, a restoration is judged against its perfect self, so an owner does not have to worry about being beaten in a “competition”.
Hopefully aircraft show “judging” will be changed in the future to welcome aircraft on a level field of “authentication” rather than exclusionary competitive comparative judging.
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:56 am
Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:28 am
quemerford wrote:.....So I'd nominate Flak Bait as the pinnacle, and unlikely to be surpassed......
Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:33 pm
C VEICH wrote:JohnTerrell wrote:A friend and I were just talking about the Warbirds Digest article on "Lope's Hope 3rd" a couple days ago, and the attention to detail in the restoration and the lengths that AirCorps went to not leave any stone unturned, making absolutely no compromises at all to achieve the greatest level of authenticity/accuracy to the way that aircraft would have been when it rolled out of the factory in '44, down to every last nut and bolt and material. One thing that was mentioned in our discussion, however, was that if someone wanted to really achieve the look of a Mustang that has actually arrived in Theatre and combat-operational, you would have to spray it and scrub it down with gasoline, just like they did back then to wash the aircraft (obviously not going to happen).
First and foremost, thank you again John for sharing your wealth of knowledge and insight with us. I look forward to each of your posts.
In regards to the above comment. I've often wondered if the next step in authenticity would be a simulated weathered appearance. Weathering has been raised to something of an art form in both plastic and flying model circles and I've often wondered if the trend would eventually reach full size restoration circles. What do you guys think? As beautiful and authentic as "Lope's Hope" and others are do they really represent what the airplane actually would have looked like at any time in service? Not unless they came out of the factory complete with unit markings and kill signs! So is that the next step or is that a step too far for most folks?
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:22 pm
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:41 pm
Dan Johnson II wrote:They did that with that Buchon at Duxford. I thought it looked silly. It's not a model. Lopes Hope, Upoppa Epops, Dottie Mae, and the Jug that Paul Allen has all fit the bill as far as I can see. Let them weather naturally, not by faking it
Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:43 pm
Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:56 pm
warbird51 wrote:I have a question on the airframe used in the restoration of Hopes Lope. In the article in the latest Warbird Digest, it identifies the airframe as P-51C-10-NT and built at the Inglewood, Ca facility. Everything I have read before was that the B model was built in Inglewood facility and the C model was from the Dallas facility. If the airframe was from Inglewood, wouldn’t that make it a B model and not a C?
Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:30 pm
Dan Johnson II wrote:They did that with that Buchon at Duxford. I thought it looked silly. It's not a model. Lopes Hope, Upoppa Epops, Dottie Mae, and the Jug that Paul Allen has all fit the bill as far as I can see. Let them weather naturally, not by faking it