Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:37 am
OD/NG wrote:I didn't know that Meier Motors overhauls German engines. Every picture of the DB engines that I've seen on their facebook page shows them coming from outside contractors after rebuild. Even the DB601 for the Condor Legion 109 which is now zero-timed and ready for flight was done at Nixon's place. When did they start in the DB overhaul business?
Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:56 pm
CAPFlyer wrote:shrike wrote:CAPFlyer wrote:... I've never really liked people who overhaul and pickle an engine 5 years or more before they plan to fly. It means that there's a lot of things that will need an in-depth check and possibly even a second overhaul before it gets hung on the airplane. ...
In most cases the engine is the single largest expense, so many homebuilders or restorers (and lets be honest, there is a lot in common) will do that first while the enthusiasm and budget is fresh. It's also a hedge against the project going pear-shaped. You can recoup (or try at least) part of the investment.
Of course that only works if you properly preserve it, which sadly, many don't.
I can understand that desire, however you can always "buy" the overhaul/engine/whatever and then schedule it for "delivery" later on. That's what Kermit did for a couple of his projects and he talked about it in his Vintage V12 video because he has several engines there which he bought and the crew is just waiting on Kermit to say "go" to do the overhaul. I think in at least one case, Kermit has paid for the basic work already as well (which helps Vintage V12s by giving them some liquidity for other projects).
Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:54 pm
CAPFlyer wrote:Considering that he's spending his time on most of these restorations to control his money outflow and his guys' workload, overhauling the engine is the last thing you do. I've never really liked people who overhaul and pickle an engine 5 years or more before they plan to fly. It means that there's a lot of things that will need an in-depth check and possibly even a second overhaul before it gets hung on the airplane. Why not wait and get the engine when you're actually ready for it - when everything else is done? I think he has the right idea waiting, as he has with other projects, until the project is nearly done and then getting the engine done.
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Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:36 pm
CAPFlyer wrote:OD/NG wrote:I didn't know that Meier Motors overhauls German engines. Every picture of the DB engines that I've seen on their facebook page shows them coming from outside contractors after rebuild. Even the DB601 for the Condor Legion 109 which is now zero-timed and ready for flight was done at Nixon's place. When did they start in the DB overhaul business?
My mistake then. I saw pictures during some of their prior builds that looked like they were doing an overhaul of an engine and I thought they were standing up an overhaul operation (at least in part) as they continue to grow the company.
Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:19 am
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:55 am
Christer wrote:One Swedish built DB605B has found its way to Meier Motors in Germany. In service in Sweden, these engines had TBO:s of several hundred hours. It was used in two types, the SAAB 18 (with the B suffix) and the SAAB 21 (except with the R suffix). Out of these hundreds of engines, more than one must have survived, I guess but finding them is a different question.
Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:02 am
JohnTerrell wrote:Evidently there are quite a number of DB engines out there, after all, as they've been coming out of the woodwork. While Jose Flores took over the Merlin/Allison/Griffon overhauls at Vintage V-12's, Mike Nixon's shop has been filled with WWII German engine overhauls for all of the new warbird projects underway - DB 601's, DB 605's, Jumo 211's (the one for the FHCAM Stuka was recently photographed looking very complete/finished), Jumo 213, the two BMW 801's, Argus's, etc.
At this time there are three operational Bf-109E's with DB 601's (two flying and the third set to fly this year), and perhaps as many as three more Bf 109E projects currently underway with, or in the need of, operational DB 601's to fly (not to mention the various F-model projects floating around, that I don't know too much about) - the DB 601 for the Spanish Civil War Bf-109E at MeierMotors was already completed/tested at Nixon's a couple years ago and has since been mounted in the airframe as of last year. In addition to those, there are the three currently operational Bf-109G's with DB 605's, plus three more Bf-109G's that were flying up until recent years, also with DB 605's, which are just currently down for servicing or restoration. In addition to that, there are at least three other Bf-109G restorations currently taking place to fly with DB 605 engines (so as many as nine DB 605's currently operational or will be needed to be operational, covering those currently flying or being worked on to fly within the next few years). Adding to that is Jerry Yagen's Fiat G.55 project (that is if it is still going forward), which will be powered by a DB 605.
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Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:43 am
DoraNineFan wrote:JohnTerrell wrote:Evidently there are quite a number of DB engines out there, after all, as they've been coming out of the woodwork. While Jose Flores took over the Merlin/Allison/Griffon overhauls at Vintage V-12's, Mike Nixon's shop has been filled with WWII German engine overhauls for all of the new warbird projects underway - DB 601's, DB 605's, Jumo 211's (the one for the FHCAM Stuka was recently photographed looking very complete/finished), Jumo 213, the two BMW 801's, Argus's, etc.
At this time there are three operational Bf-109E's with DB 601's (two flying and the third set to fly this year), and perhaps as many as three more Bf 109E projects currently underway with, or in the need of, operational DB 601's to fly (not to mention the various F-model projects floating around, that I don't know too much about) - the DB 601 for the Spanish Civil War Bf-109E at MeierMotors was already completed/tested at Nixon's a couple years ago and has since been mounted in the airframe as of last year. In addition to those, there are the three currently operational Bf-109G's with DB 605's, plus three more Bf-109G's that were flying up until recent years, also with DB 605's, which are just currently down for servicing or restoration. In addition to that, there are at least three other Bf-109G restorations currently taking place to fly with DB 605 engines (so as many as nine DB 605's currently operational or will be needed to be operational, covering those currently flying or being worked on to fly within the next few years). Adding to that is Jerry Yagen's Fiat G.55 project (that is if it is still going forward), which will be powered by a DB 605.
Vintage V12s is also finishing up a Jumo 213, probably for Jerry Yagen's Flugwerk Fw-190D replica. Although the plane is still sitting in the hangar with no apparent activity to manufacture a new cowling to accept the engine. The Collings Foundation has a D-9 project but I don't know if any work is active on it at this time.