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 Post subject: For Scott - T-33
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:12 am 
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A few record card decryptions of early T-33/TF-80C: the 'YF-94A' redesignation of 48-879 is interesting and (to me at least) not previously recorded. It appears that this aircraft would have been T-33 forward fuselage and F-94A aft end.

49-879 Project AMC-9PF-69 available 24Feb49; accepted 24Feb49; delivered 01Mar49
To 2750th ABGp Wright-Patterson ARDC (test) 08Mar49
To Allison Engines, Indianapolis 15Mar49 (bailment test) (redesignated TF-80C to T-33A 29Aug49)
Redesignated ET-33A 17Nov49
Redesignated YF-94A 24May51
Redesignated ET-33A 02Apr52
To Wright-Patterson ARDC 11Apr52
To North American Inglewood 27Apr52 (bailment test); still there 01Jan55

49-880 Project TRC-8PF-34 available 04Mar49; accepted 04Mar49; delivered 09Mar49
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 10Mar49
To 3595th PTW Nellis AFB 13Nov50
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 15Jun51
To 3540th CCTW Pinecastle AFB 08May52
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 16May52
To Lockheed, Burbank 25Jun53
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 03Aug53
To 3645th FTW Laughlin AFB 21Jan54
To AEM Oakland AMC 29Jun54
To 3645th CCTW Laughlin AFB 06Oct54
To 2596th RFC (AFRES) Dallas 14Dec54

49-881 Project TRC-8PF-34 available 16Mar49; accepted 16Mar49; delivered 17Mar49
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 19Mar49
To Lockheed, Burbank 10Jul52
To 3615th PTW Craig AFB 12Nov52
To Lockheed, Burbank 27Jan54
To 3615th PTW Craig AFB 02Apr54
To 3320th TTW Amarillo AFB 02Aug54
To 3615th PTW Craig AFB 07Sep54
To 2230th RFC (AFRES) New York 12Nov54

49-882 Project AFE-9PF-104 available 22Mar49; accepted 22Mar49; delivered 28Mar49
To 36th FGp Furstenfeldbruck AB 24Jun49 (to 36th FBW from 09Jun50)
To 86th FBW Neubiberg AB 18Aug50
To 36th FBW Furstenfeldbruck AB 10Oct50
To 36th FBW Giebelstadt 31Mar51
To 86th FBW Neubiberg AB 18Apr51
To 36th GBW Giebelstadt 09May51, Furstenfeldbruck AB from 18May51
To 81st FIW RAF Shepherds Grove 10Mar52
To 7559th Maint Depot RAF Burtonwood 04Jan54
To 81st FBW RAF Shepherds Grove 19May54

49-883 Project

49-884 Project AFE-9PF-104 available 29Mar49; accepted 29Mar49; delivered 06Apr49
To 36th Maint Sqn Furstenfeldbruck AB 21Jun49
To 36th FGp Furstenfeldbruck 24Jun49 (36th FBW from 09Jun50)
To 36th FBW Giebelstadt 31Mar51
To 36th FBW Furstenfeldbruck 16May51
To 47th BW RAF Sculthorpe 21Feb53
To 36th FBW Bitburg AB 01Apr53
To 59th ADW RAF Burtonwood 11May53 (7559th Maint Depot from 15Sep53)
To 36th FBW Wheelus detachment 04Jul54
To 36th FBW Bitburg AB 21Apr54 (Wheelus det 28Jul-03Aug54)
To 36th FDW Bitburg AB 09Aug54

49-885 Project AFE-9PF-104 available 05Apr49; accepted 05Apr49; delivered 06Apr49
To 36th Maint Sqn Furstenfeldbruck AB 21Jun49
To 36th FGp Furstenfeldbruck 23Jun49 (36th FBW from 09Jun50)
To 36th FBW Giebelstadt 31Mar51
To 36th FBW Furstenfeldbruck AB 18May51
To 36th FBW Bitburg AB 27Feb53
To 47th BW RAF Sculthorpe 01Apr53
To 59th ADW RAF Burtonwood 02Sep53 (7559th Maint Depot from 15Sep53)
To 36th FBW Bitburg AB 26Apr54 (FDW from 09Aug54)
To 7485th ADW Erding AB 02Dec54
To 36th FDW Bitburg AB 10Feb55

49-886 Project TRC-8PF-34 available 08Apr49; accepted 08Apr49; delivered 11Apr49
To 3595th PTW Las Vegas AFB 12Apr49
To 3310th TTW Scott AFB 15Mar51
To 3595th PTW Nellis AFB 10Apr51
To 3310th TTW Scott AFB 10May51
To 3595th PTW Nellis AFB 15Jun51
To 3550th FTW Moody AFB 22Dec51
To Lockheed Burbank 24Jun52
To 3645th FTW Laughlin AFB 09Dec52
To 3540th FTW Pinecastle AFB 08Jun53
To Lockheed Burbank 20Jul53
To 3540th FTW Pinecastle AFB 29Aug53
To 3625th FTW Tyndall AFB 07Nov53
To Aircraft Engineering & Maintenance Co, Oakland 06Jul54
To 3645th CCTW Laughlin AFB 11Oct54
To 2469th RFC (AFRES) Scott AFB 14Dec54

49-887 Project

49-888 Project TRC-8PF-34 available 22Apr49; accepted 22Apr49; delivered 27Apr49
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 28Apr49
To 3500th PTW Reese AFB 04Dec51
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 05Dec51
(transient maintenance 22nd ABW March AFB 19-23Jan52)
To 3530th PTW Bryan AFB 06Mar52
To 3525th PTW Williams AFB 22Mar52
To Lockheed Burbank 27Jun52
To 3615th PTW Craig AFB 26Nov52
To Lockheed AMC 25Feb54
To 3615th PTW Craig AFB 11May54
To 2469th RFC AFRES Scott AFB 06Nov54


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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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“It appears that this aircraft would have been T-33 forward fuselage and F-94A aft end.”

This is not true as the fuselage rear end is very different. The T-33 and P-80 differ ahead of the fuselage break, but I believe the T-33A rear fuselage portion that donates when the engine is changed is the Same as a P-80C. Nothing from an F-94 will fit.

The fuselage is better described as a unit from tailcone break to the forward doors. Any type of nose can be fitted, 6 gun, 4 gun/2 gun, trainer or photo recon nose. That fuselage is different for the P-80 and T-33 by adding some inches to lengthen it near the trailing edge of the wing and the forward area near the intakes. It’s subtle. The F-94 prototype at Lackland I believe is one of the TF-80c prototypes as well, so it’s modifications and changes are best visible there. They share a lot of parts, as the general systems are the same. The T-33 is extraordinarily tough, so structurally they share a lot too. But the only way to really tell is to take out the F-94 parts book and compare with the T-33 one.


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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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Well somehow it went from being a T-33 (TF-80C) to a YF-94A and back to T-33 again in a small space of time. I can't see why else Allison would want a YF-94A-configured aircraft?


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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 10:27 am 
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actually I think that this is more of a paperwork shuffle than an actual changing of configuration or parts. I’m not sure and will look at it again.

I would say that from what I see the plane was redesignated as an ET-33A exempting it from any applicable fleetwide tech orders. Then the YF-94A, then back to ET-33 and still different from other T-33’s. I hate to say it, but we need a photograph of the plane! I haven’t been able to find one, and this is a pretty good wild goose for the Sunday Mr. Q!

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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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Joe Scheil wrote:
I hate to say it, but we need a photograph of the plane! I haven’t been able to find one, and this is a pretty good wild goose for the Sunday Mr. Q!

The original Forgotten Jets listing didn't have a photo, but it did mention it was a chase plane at Edwards AFB - maybe a place to start looking?

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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:31 am 
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This isn't going to be much help, but...

I remember a thread a few years ago about a museum that accepted a "hybrid" F-94 with a T-33 nose. I thought it was on Forgotten Jets before WIX became the caretaker. I have searched, but can't find the thread. Somebody with better internet search skills may find it...

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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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Cubs2jets wrote:
This isn't going to be much help, but...

I remember a thread a few years ago about a museum that accepted a "hybrid" F-94 with a T-33 nose. I thought it was on Forgotten Jets before WIX became the caretaker. I have searched, but can't find the thread. Somebody with better internet search skills may find it...

C2j


maybe this one?
http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.o ... =3&t=55030

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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
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Scott WRG Editor wrote:


Ahhhhh....yes, I do believe that is the thread I was thinking of...

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 Post subject: Re: For Scott - T-33
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 12:29 pm 
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The fuselage of 48-373, the second YF-94A was for sale on EBay a couple months back...
The early ones seem to be based on early T-33 airframes...basically the wing and center fuselage....with a new tail cone section to carry the afterburner, which at that point was just an afterburner equipped J33....most of the production A models got upgraded to B models due to issues with the afterburner....
The C model was very different...New wing and tail with a J48....


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