Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:14 pm
Joe Scheil wrote:Captain Kangaroo was a really good TV show that should still be on the air. If it can’t be, we should have a Captain Kangeroo Court show to help kids with legal issues that arise on the playground.
Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:32 am
bdk wrote:Joe Scheil wrote:Captain Kangaroo was a really good TV show that should still be on the air. If it can’t be, we should have a Captain Kangeroo Court show to help kids with legal issues that arise on the playground.
The reproduction vs. replica debate will go on indefinitely without resolution, that is certain. This is why the discussion goes off-topic which brings up other interesting points.
Maybe we need a sticky to provide links to the various original vs. reproduction vs. replica threads? Would save a lot of typing! These discussions permeate many hobbies that deal with antiques and historical artifacts.
Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:28 am
menards wrote:
There is not really much to debate...
In terms of defining terms....
Original: As built from the factory. Original Parts. Original Markings. "Flak Bait", "Swamp Ghost", Black Cat Pass, any example where you are looking at original unchanged unrestored items.
Restored: Mostly original structure, NOS parts, repainted.
Reproduction. Mostly new-build structure using OEM materials, Some NOS parts.
Replica: New build structure using material differing from original (ie. carbon fiber/fiberglass instead of aluminum. ie. the full size carbon fiber P-51 http://cameronaircraft.com/Team51%20Photos%20Plane.html )
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:56 am
Whose definition is that and by what authority do you enforce it?menards wrote:There is not really much to debate...
In terms of defining terms....
Original: As built from the factory. Original Parts. Original Markings. "Flak Bait", "Swamp Ghost", Black Cat Pass, any example where you are looking at original unchanged unrestored items.
Restored: Mostly original structure, NOS parts, repainted.
Reproduction. Mostly new-build structure using OEM materials, Some NOS parts.
Replica: New build structure using material differing from original (ie. carbon fiber/fiberglass instead of aluminum. ie. the full size carbon fiber P-51 http://cameronaircraft.com/Team51%20Photos%20Plane.html )
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:45 pm
Fleet16b wrote:Any chance we can get back on topic ?
bdk wrote:Maybe we need a sticky to provide links to the various original vs. reproduction vs. replica threads? Would save a lot of typing!
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:02 pm
Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:20 pm
Editorial Style Guidelines for NASM Exhibits wrote:According to the Museum’s chief curator, a replica is a copy by the original maker; a reproduction is a copy by someone else.
Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:05 pm
Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:57 am
Noha307 wrote:As a follow up to the subject of replicas made by the original builder, I was perusing a list of the aircraft at the Musée de l’air et de l’espace today and I found out that their Nieuport IIN actually falls in this category. According to the page I found, it was "a reconstruction made by Nieuport factories in 1919 especially for the Air Museum".
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:26 am
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:41 pm
A Better Past Through Technology: World War II Warplanes as Cultural Heritage wrote:In pursuing the aim of making the airplane just like it was, fitting the token to the type, warbirders draw on the authority of both received schema of the type and the qualities of the airframe/token itself. When restoring an aircraft to be/of particular type, the schemata guide the remaking of the material object. The restoration work on CD, for example, was guided not only by skilled mechanics and pilots who drew on long-ago experience with C- 46's or similar aircraft, but also by a collection of blueprints which lent their schematic authority to the Wing’s work on the airplane. If they were ever challenged on the correctness of their restoration, they could pull out those blueprints. Such has never occurred with CD because the object’s connection to its wartime production as a token of the type is relatively well-documented. Even when the material object is radically altered by adding all-new materials, however, the object’s typological identity (and therefore its claim to historicity) can remain intact if the object fits the schema, or the ideal form, of the type. Warbirders often alternate between attending to the token’s fit with the type’s schema and to its documentary connection to the type in tracing their referential connection to the wartime airplanes. Indeed, the alternation between these modes of identification allows restorers to cover ruptures in the airframe’s connection to the past, as with the Hellcat, as well as with aircraft “built around” a data plate. Only when a connection is entirely severed does the ontological status of the aircraft come into question. When the connection fails, the airplane will be called a “reproduction.” For example, one company has built a number of World War II German jets using an “original” as a model. In that case no material linkage to an original airplane can be produced, but the schema — drawn from an object as model — matched exactly. Similarly, when an aircraft deviates from the schema, its type identity might be challenged, rendering it a “replica,” like the ½ scale home-built kits that exist. The tension between the current instantiation of a warbird and the material and schematic link to the type provide the basis for much debate within warbirding about authenticity, replication, and reproduction.
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 pm
p51 wrote: but we all know of the plastic 1:1 models on display at some museums, the "Midway" movie airplane going on display soon and the like...
Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:31 pm
Noha307 wrote:I came across a really good paper today about the warbird community. Among a bunch of excellent analyses, was this highly relevant paragraph: