Warbird Information Exchange

Look who is trolling.

No sir, we just all want whatever Information That’s out there to try to be accurate and correct to a degree. We all would like to see a positive outcome for the cf. some of the things you say are not correct but that’s why we are all here is to keep learning and educating. Long live the b-17

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" I am a nobody in aviation, but somebody to my family."

Even the most ironclad waiver in the world can't/won't keep your next of kin from suing.

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Lest Hero-worship raise it's head and cloud our vision, remember that World War II was fought and won by the same sort of twenty-something punks we wouldn't let our daughters date.

When one signs a waiver, one is signing in the expectation that the other party has done its due diligence, and is abiding by all applicable laws, rules and regulations, as well as operating within the parameters of those best practices as established for that particular field of endeavor.

If the operator is found to be negligent in any of the above, or have acted in bad faith, then all waivers are rendered null and void on their face.

I'm afraid Collings faces a tough row ahead on this one.

Still waiting to find out what books you have written.....

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Matt Gunsch, A&P, IA, Warbird maint and restorations
Jack, You have Debauched my sloth !!!!!!
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Interesting that the suit mentioned in the newspaper article claims that seatbelts were not provided and the passengers were not told how to egress the airplane in the event of an emergency. I've ridden aboard 9-0-9 four times, and in volunteering with CF at their Dallas tour stop for several years, I've been present many times when riders were given their pre-flight safety briefings. The aircraft had seat belts for every rider, and the pre-flight safety briefings that I was given and that I witnessed being given included instructions on how use the seat belts, an admonishment that wearing a seat belt was mandatory during taxi, takeoff, landing, and whenever the crew said so, and clear instructions on how to egress the aircraft in an emergency (as well as how not to, depending on circumstances). But, this is just based on my own experiences.

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Dean Hemphill, K5DH
Lake Dallas, Republic of Texas

What books I have written? Are you speaking to me?

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" I am a nobody in aviation, but somebody to my family."

My experience also. The engineer not having a belt has been discussed and possibly still up for debate, but I'd be surprised if the passengers didn't have belts and weren't instructed on safety and egress. The belts were there every time I was in the plane.

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Kinda, sorta the same thing...
The EAA brought their Ford to town and I ended up giving the safety briefings (I was selected because I could also give some history of the type while the passenger waited for the a.c. to return).
I had a sheet to go on and used it...they were serious about that.

I refuse to believe Collings didn't have seat belts or safety briefing.

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Remember the vets, the wonderful planes they flew and their sacrifices for a future many of them did not live to see.

But you just said the lawsuits would go nowhere per the waivers. And now you’re saying something different you’re contradicting yourself[/quote]

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Still waiting to find out what books you have written.....[/quote]

What books I have written? Are you speaking to me?[/quote]

No, he is asking "Wolf" who claims to have written many a book on the B-17 and other fantasies.

Look who is trolling.[/quote]
Still waiting to find out what books you have written.....[/quote]

What books I have written? Are you speaking to me?[/quote]

No, he is asking "Wolf" who claims to have written many a book on the B-17 and other fantasies.[/quote]

Oh ok lol, that’s what I thought. Yeah we are all still looking for those “ books”

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" I am a nobody in aviation, but somebody to my family."

My brother and I flew on 909 in May 2011 out of SNA. There was a safety briefing before takeoff and we were required to wear seat belts during taxi and takeoff. We sat on the wood floor in the radio room with a padded backrest and a lap belt. It was an incredible experience that i will never forget. I'm not a very emotional person but it truly hurt when I heard about this accident.

Exactly the same as my flight on her out of Moffett Field back in April 2007.

Looks like some WIXers could be called as defense witnesses.
Did anyone here who rode Nine-O-Nine have any trouble adjusting the seat belts, or notice unsecured wheel chocks?

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All right, Mister Dorfmann, start pullin'!
Pilot: "Flap switch works hard in down position."
Mechanic: "Flap switch checked OK. Pilot needs more P.T." - Flight report, TB-17G 42-102875 (Hobbs AAF)

Ditto for my flight out of Moffett in May 2013, but I was with several others on the floor near the waist gunners' position.