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Any chance you can give some idea what the article is about for those that can't access the link?


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WASHINGTON, D.C., USA — The only surviving crew member of a World War II-era bomber that crashed in Connecticut last year, killing seven people, told investigators that “everything was perfect” before takeoff and he doesn’t understand what went wrong.
That's according to documents made public Wednesday by the National Transportation Safety Board, which is still investigating the cause of the crash at Bradley International Airport north of Hartford.
The plane crashed after the pilot reported engine problem and tried to land. Plane mechanic Mitchell Melton told investigators there was trouble starting two of the engines that morning, but he got them running and everything seemed good.
Statements from the survivors indicate none of the passengers were given any instructions prior to boarding the plane. And once they were on board, the seatbelts were loose and they received no instructions as to how to put them on.
Witnesses said it was clear there was a mechanical problem with the plane prior to take off.
Mitch Melton, the only member of the crew to survive told investigators, once they were in the air, "As soon as I come back up to the front, I put my headset back on and Mac [Pilot Ernest McCauley] said Number 4 is losing power. I looked up at the RPM gauge, of course, it was losing power. He said he wanted to cage it. I wasn't ready to cage it, I told him, because we weren't climbing, and I don't know why. He reached up, caged it. And caging means shutting the engine off."
He continued, "When I realized we weren't climbing, I went down into the nose. I grabbed the two passengers that were down there, I seated them. I made sure they were buckled. I went to the tail; I made sure everybody was seated and seat-belted. When I came back up there, as far as -- I'm sorry, I'll go back to the engine, the way it was running.
"I don't remember it ever backfiring. It all happened so fast. I don't remember ever hearing it backfire, nothing. I just 1 looked up at the RPM gauge and it was dropping power. But as far as running rough, I do not remember.
"To go back to when I came back up front, that was whenever we were starting base to final. I remember him -- I remember hearing the airplane had, I guess, dial approach light. That's when I sat down. I sat down on the turret right up between the copilot and the pilot, and that's the last thing I remember.
"I don't, yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know why we weren't, you know, gaining altitude. I do not know, and that's what's frustrating. I don't know what happened. I don't know if Mac froze. I know I noticed -- you know, Mike Foster, he didn't really have much time in the airplane. I don't know what happened."
The documents reveal that no potentially impairing drugs were found in the system of the pilots.
Mobile phones were recovered and in some cases, photos and videos were able to be downloaded from the devices. Video content was captured prior to the flight but no in-flight videos were recovered.
The vintage bomber - also known as a Flying Fortress, one of the most celebrated Allied planes of World War II, was used to take history buffs and aircraft enthusiasts on short flights, during which they could get up and walk around the loud and windy interior.
The plane was carrying 13 passengers and two crew members when it crashed that Wednesday morning.
Pilot Ernest McCauley, 75, of Long Beach, California, had flown for over 20 years with the educational group that owned the World War II-era plane and was also its safety officer.

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Five passengers were killed along with McCauley and the co-pilot, Michael Foster, 71, of Jacksonville, Florida, passengers Gary Mazzone, 60, of East Windsor, Robert Riddell, 59, of East Granby, James Roberts, 48, of Ludlow, Massachusetts; David Broderick, 56, of West Springfield, Massachusetts; and Robert Rubner, 64, of Tolland, Connecticut.
The plane was part of the Collings Foundation Wings of Freedom tour. The FAA and the Collings Foundation agreed to temporarily ground the vintage planes earlier this year.
The families of the victims filed a lawsuit against the Collings Foundation in June of 2020.

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WASHINGTON, D.C., USA — The only surviving crew member of a World War II-era bomber that crashed in Connecticut last year, killing seven people, told investigators that “everything was perfect” before takeoff and he doesn’t understand what went wrong.

That's according to documents made public Wednesday by the National Transportation Safety Board, which is still investigating the cause of the crash at Bradley International Airport north of Hartford.

The plane crashed after the pilot reported engine problem and tried to land. Plane mechanic Mitchell Melton told investigators there was trouble starting two of the engines that morning, but he got them running and everything seemed good.

Statements from the survivors indicate none of the passengers were given any instructions prior to boarding the plane. And once they were on board, the seatbelts were loose and they received no instructions as to how to put them on.

Witnesses said it was clear there was a mechanical problem with the plane prior to take off.

Mitch Melton, the only member of the crew to survive told investigators, once they were in the air, "As soon as I come back up to the front, I put my headset back on and Mac [Pilot Ernest McCauley] said Number 4 is losing power. I looked up at the RPM gauge, of course, it was losing power. He said he wanted to cage it. I wasn't ready to cage it, I told him, because we weren't climbing, and I don't know why. He reached up, caged it. And caging means shutting the engine off."

He continued, "When I realized we weren't climbing, I went down into the nose. I grabbed the two passengers that were down there, I seated them. I made sure they were buckled. I went to the tail; I made sure everybody was seated and seat-belted. When I came back up there, as far as -- I'm sorry, I'll go back to the engine, the way it was running.

"I don't remember it ever backfiring. It all happened so fast. I don't remember ever hearing it backfire, nothing. I just 1 looked up at the RPM gauge and it was dropping power. But as far as running rough, I do not remember.

"To go back to when I came back up front, that was whenever we were starting base to final. I remember him -- I remember hearing the airplane had, I guess, dial approach light. That's when I sat down. I sat down on the turret right up between the copilot and the pilot, and that's the last thing I remember.

"I don't, yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know why we weren't, you know, gaining altitude. I do not know, and that's what's frustrating. I don't know what happened. I don't know if Mac froze. I know I noticed -- you know, Mike Foster, he didn't really have much time in the airplane. I don't know what happened."

The documents reveal that no potentially impairing drugs were found in the system of the pilots.

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Mobile phones were recovered and in some cases, photos and videos were able to be downloaded from the devices. Video content was captured prior to the flight but no in-flight videos were recovered.

The vintage bomber - also known as a Flying Fortress, one of the most celebrated Allied planes of World War II, was used to take history buffs and aircraft enthusiasts on short flights, during which they could get up and walk around the loud and windy interior.

The plane was carrying 13 passengers and two crew members when it crashed that Wednesday morning.

Pilot Ernest McCauley, 75, of Long Beach, California, had flown for over 20 years with the educational group that owned the World War II-era plane and was also its safety officer.

Five passengers were killed along with McCauley and the co-pilot, Michael Foster, 71, of Jacksonville, Florida, passengers Gary Mazzone, 60, of East Windsor, Robert Riddell, 59, of East Granby, James Roberts, 48, of Ludlow, Massachusetts; David Broderick, 56, of West Springfield, Massachusetts; and Robert Rubner, 64, of Tolland, Connecticut.

The plane was part of the Collings Foundation Wings of Freedom tour. The FAA and the Collings Foundation agreed to temporarily ground the vintage planes earlier this year.

The families of the victims filed a lawsuit against the Collings Foundation in June of 2020.

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James Traficante, of Simsbury

Mr. Traficante was interviewed via telephone. He stated that he is a Command Chief for the Air National Guard and had been a Crew Chief on a C-130. Mr. Traficante was in the rear most right seat in the B-17. The crew had trouble starting an engine due to a “wet mag.” Shortly after takeoff, the loadmaster came to the rear with a sense of urgency and told everyone to fasten their seatbelts. The loadmaster then returned to the cockpit and stood between the two pilots, and appeared to be manipulating the throttle levers. Mr. Traficante could see out the window that the airplane was low and braced himself for impact. He told his friend, who was in the rear most left seat to brace for impact as well. After the accident, Mr. Traficante was able to egress the airplane. His friend and the passenger directly in front of his friend were also able to egress. Mr. Traficante suffered a fractured arm and burns.

Andrew Barrett

Mr. Barrett was interviewed via telephone. He was able to provide the seating position of other passengers, based on his subsequent conversations with their families. Mr. Barrett stated that he was told to fasten his seatbelt prior to the flight, but was not told of exits or fire extinguishers. There is no intercom system and he does not know what briefing the forward four passengers received as he was one of the rear six passengers. After up and moving about, he was told to go back to his seat and fasten his seatbelt, but was not told why.

Dan Mikalonis, Heavy’s Automotive, Windsor Locks

Mr. Mikalonis was interviewed via telephone. He was standing outside of his business and observed the accident airplane fly over low. He stated that the right inboard engine appeared to be misfiring, smoking, and the propeller stopped turning. Mr. Mikolonis will forward security video, but stated that the camera is aimed at the parking lot and did not capture much.

Tom and Linda Schmidt, passengers on the plane

Tom and Linda Schmidt report that they received very little by way of a pre‐flight briefing. Other than being told not to adjust the seatbelts, they were not given anything that would be considered a pre‐flight safety briefing. For example, they were not told what to do in the event of an emergency or how to exit the plane in an emergency.

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 Post subject: Re: 909 NEWS
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Report linked from article: https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewe ... al-Rel.pdf
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Tom and Linda Schmidt, passengers on the plane

Tom and Linda Schmidt report that they received very little by way of a pre‐flight briefing. Other than being told not to adjust the seatbelts, they were not given anything that would be considered a pre‐flight safety briefing. For example, they were not told what to do in the event of an emergency or how to exit the plane in an emergency.


This is so very different from my experiences as a passenger in vintage aircraft under various regulatory arrangements in New Zealand.


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It's also different from the experiences that I've had with Collings, and I believe that was the consensus among quite a few of us that discussed it in another thread this spring.

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When I rode on the B-24 years ago out of Dallas Love, we were given no instructions at all about anything. I briefed other pax's that were with me on what to do from my years as a CAF crew member.


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Flew on the Collings B-24 about 17 years ago. We were given basic instructions at the time. I specifically remember them telling us if we crawled to the nose not to lean on the nose gear door unless we wanted to fall out of the aircraft!


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 Post subject: Re: 909 NEWS
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I've spent the past few days reading the report......pretty ugly.

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I was flight crew on a Falcon 20-5F back in 2018 and we crossed paths with the Collings Foundation a couple of times at Las Vegas and again in California at the John Wayne Intl. Airport in Los Angeles. I never had the luxury of free time to go across the field and check out the planes and visit. At the John Wayne Intl Airport, they were set up on the west side at a Museum and they had the B-17, B-24 , EA-1E Skyraider and TF-51D Mustang. We were only on the ramp a couple of hours. I say the B-24 takeoff and at about 200'AGl make an aggressive right turn to buzz his buddies on the ground at the museum. Even though we were also flying a vintage transport category aircraft, we have never tried a stunt like that or even thought about it. A voice in my mind said "We are the Collings Foundation and WE DO WHAT WE WANT." Eventually our passengers showed up and as it turned out, the B-24 was number one for departure. The tower gave the clearance "Consolidated xyz cleared for FULL LENGTH TAKEOFF." I took that to mean, no more shenanigans and they were to go to the end of the runway and have safe altitude before turning to assigned heading. That was the first and only time I started wondering what was going on with that operation.
Second, if you listened to the recordings of the B-17 departure on that fateful day you will hear a departure from standard procedure. IN a Transport category aircraft, crew served aircraft there is always a Captain or Aircraft Commander and a Second in Command or First Officer. The First Officer can be the "Pilot Flying that leg or the "Pilot Not Flying" that leg. The Captain makes that call. Typically the Pilot not Flying works the radios, navigation, and SIC duties for the Pilot Flying. In the event of an emergency, the Captain designates who is flying and who is talking to ATC. In emergencies I've had it go both ways. Sometime the Captain flies and the FO runs the emergency checklist. or the FO flies and the Captain wants you to hand him the checklist. Sometimes when flying old airplanes, something weird malfunctions and it isn't in the checklist or the checklist is inconclusive . (Typically electrical).
SO, if you listen to the audio, it seems like Mac reverts to a single pilot mentality. He's both flyting the airplane and takes over talking on the radio. You will hear the FO also continuing to answer the Tower. Both guys are answering ATC. was anyone running the emergency checklist? Why didn't they declare an emergency? If you request priority they will keep you on the same frequency and you stay with that frequency and controller until on the ground. You will hear Mac having to change freqs. There was also an east west runway that was closer. Could they have landed on that one? If he had declared an emergency then they would have gotten him to the runway quicker and he would've had more altitude and made the runway. Why did he lower the gear when they didn't have the runway made? A gear up landing would've resulted in everyone walking away. "DO NOT LOWER THE GEAR UNTIL THE RUNWAY IS ASSURED." That's multiengine training 101." Should Mac have been the aircraft commander that day?


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"everything was perfect"....but had problems starting two engines that day...... :?


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With regards to John Wayne airport. There are noise censors at the west end of the runway. If you’ve ever flown out of JW, every aircraft does either an aggressive climb or an immediate turn to avoid those censors. If I remember right you get 1 warning, then you are done. They take that very seriously. None of the tour aircraft can make that aggressive climb, so the immediate right turn is necessary, not hot dogging. Long Beach is the same.

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The tower gave the clearance "Consolidated xyz cleared for FULL LENGTH TAKEOFF." I took that to mean, no more shenanigans and they were to go to the end of the runway and have safe altitude before turning to assigned heading. That was the first and only time I started wondering what was going on with that operation.

Um, that's not what I would take that radio call to mean. C'mon.

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marine air wrote:
Why didn't they declare an emergency?

My understanding is that declaring an emergency would have grounded the airplane and stopped them flying any more rides for at least the rest of the day.

I’m not saying that that was the reason, but it may have played a part in the decision-making process.


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