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Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:59 am
Sporty crosswind, "slick" grass, a little bit of a drop-off on the edge of the runway and yep, that's a definite pucker moment. Good on the crew for keeping things together and flying all the way to a stop once it started going sideways.
Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:17 am
Hooooo-doggie!
Cowboy hats are now authorized for use by the flight crew after successfully corralling their bucking steed, following that crazy trip across the prairieland around the airport!
Don't think I've ever seen a cross-wind physically lift a wing like that, but the crew reacted instantly and did a terrific job getting it under control. Well done, team.
Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:31 pm
My guess would be that the right prop reversed and that the left one didn’t. I saw that more than once when United Airlines did training on Convairs in Santa Barbara in the 1960s. Still, it’s just a theory.
Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:44 pm
I think the crosswind factored into the aircraft being pushed sideways that then caused it to "tip" because of the narrow-track landing gear. It's not unheard of on the C-123. The "tip" was just due to inertia and the slight slope at the edge of the main runway area.
I wouldn't doubt the reverse being another potential factor. My short time with a Convair outfit in 2004 we had several occasions where it was a factor, including a flight a jump-seated on. It definitely is noticeable if you're not holding the engines in idle reverse until they both "flip".
Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:54 pm
It was a bit harry to watch. We were down the show line, closer to the taxi way near the aircraft parking, when we saw her almost make a ground loop. Gotta remember, it was really WINDY that day, The WWI birds didn't go up and the paratroopers didn't drop. But they recovered. Looked fine afterwards!
Re: Air Heritage C-123K Rough/Exciting Landing at Geneseo 6/
Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:38 am
I can see the needed aileron input in that last photo. Keep in mind that even with the yoke turned into the wind, you can still find yourself in a situation where wind, inertia, terrain conditions and perhaps some other spanners being thrown into the works can and will conspire against you. Good job crew!
Edited to add... I just found this video on PPRuNe:
I can see the RH aileron deflected upwards just when that wing drops and moving down a bit later to pick that wing up again. I guess the photo above shows the latter part of that sequence.