CAF HA-1112 circa 1975

Robbie Stuart · **Posted:** Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:28 pm

Jerry O'Neill wrote:

airnutz wrote:

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Here is the NTSB report on the Buchon accident...

NTSB Identification: FTW88DRG04 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35613.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, December 19, 1987 in HARLINGEN, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/14/1989
Aircraft: MBB 109, registration: N8575
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE SET OF FLOATS WHICH ALLOWS A HIGH FUEL FLOW IN THIS CARBURETOR FOR HIGH POWER SETTINGS USED FOR TAKEOFF, CLIMB, ETC., HAD CRACKED AND SWOLLEN TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THEY WERE RUBBING AGAINST THE FLOAT CHAMBER WALLS AND FLOAT CHAMBER SHROUD TUBES. THIS INTERFERENCE PREVENTED ADEQUATE FUEL FLOW FOR HIGH POWER OPERATION OF THE ENGINE DURING THE TAKEOFF CLIMB WHICH TERMINATED IN THE ACCIDENT. THERE WERE NO ENTRIES IN THE MAINTENANCE LOGS WHICH INDICATED ANY MAINTENANCE OR INTERNAL EXAMINATION OF THE CARBURETOR SINCE THE AIRCRAFT WAS NEW (1959).

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

AIRSPEED(VS)..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..DETERIORATED
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..MOVEMENT RESTRICTED

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I think this is a different incident. The one that has been under discussion here happened in 1975 or 76.
Jerry

Yea Jerry. 2 different deals. The one in 87 was the end of the airplane & pilot. I'll be dam-ned if I can remember who was flying in the fatal accident. :roll:

Robbie Stuart · **Posted:** Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:43 pm

Carl Payne taxing out Airsho 83;

I am not trying to Hijack the thread. I would just like to say a little more about Carl Payne, whom for a while routinely flew the airplane, & was a great guy. I think this was May of 2000 when Carl was lost.

From http://fallenbrothers.com/community/sho ... php?t=2586

Crash Claims Life of Texas Forest Service Pilot

JEFFREY McDONALD

The Glass Mountain Fire has charred nearly 40,000 acres across two counties. And it has now claimed at least one life. Carl Ray Payne, 66, of Katy, Texas, was killed Sunday morning, May 7, when the aircraft he was piloting crashed in the rugged mountan country of northeastern Brewster County.

Carl Ray Payne, 66 of Kay, Texas, was killed Sunday morning, May 7, when the aircraft he was piloting crashed in the rugged mountain country of northeastern Brewster County.

Payne was operating an Air Tractor aircraft called a SEAT or single-engine air tanker. It very much resembles a crop duster, but is specially adapted for firefighting. He had arrived in Fort Stockton, Texas, the previous day as part of efforts by the Texas Forest Service to assist local firefighters combating the Glass Mountain Fire.

Payne was one of two pilots operating firefighting aircraft out of the Pecos County Airport in Fort Stackton, under contract to the Forest Sercice to deliver water and chemical retardent on the blaze which was still out of control at that time. Centered in the rugged, remote mountain country of Pecos and far from serviceable roads, some points of the fire could only be attacked from the air.

Payne had reportedly just completed a run over the fire and was in the process of pulling out-still close to the ground-when his craft stuck a transmission tower. He is believed to have died instantly. Official details of the crash are not yet available.

It is reportedly under investigation by the Brewster County Sheriff’s Department and thee National Transportation Safety Board, both of which were hampered by the remote location of the accident.

Officials of Payne’s company have already visited the scene of the week-long firefighting effort, and another aircraft had been dispatched to the scene as of Tuesday afternoon.

This is the first fatality suffered during a Texas Forest Service operation in more than a decade. The last occurred in 1990, when a bulldozer operator died during a firefighting effort.

Payne was born in Mertzon, Texas, and grew up in the town of Pecos, in nearby Reeves County. A veteran of the United States Air Force, he was described as an experienced pilot who had flown many kinds of aircraft over the years. He is survived by his wife, three children and seven grandchildren.

A memorial service was held in Pecos on Wednesday morning. He will be buried Saturday morning May 13, in Katy.

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Miss ya Carl!
Robbie

airnutz · **Posted:** Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:45 pm

Ooops, Sorry I thought Chad was correcting Speedy's earlier posted date. :oops:

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:05 pm

bluehawk15 wrote:

That happened at Airsho '76. My first airshow as a newly minted (or was that mint juliped?) CAF Colonel at the tender young age of 18!

I have some slides that I shot with my trusty Kodak X-15 instamatic that I'll try to get posted when I can locate them and get them scanned. Oh, and they aren't far away shots, nor are they action shots, they were taken after the show up close and personal as I was able to hitch a ride with some A&P types who wanted to check out the damage and come up with a plan to get it out of the middle of the field.

Mike do you remember the 1973 show at San Marcos when one of the CA-1112 that had a white spinner with the red screw did the show but landed and they left it out on the taxi way, far from the crowd? I think they said it had a fire or was it the same problem with the carb that was mentioned here??

Thanks,

Lynn

PeterA · **Posted:** Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:11 am

Would this be your aeroplane?

'Transpo 1972', Washington.

PeterA

Speedy · **Posted:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:10 am

Robbie Stuart wrote:

I believe it was one of the Whittington brothers flying.

That is certainly an interesting spin, if that is the truth.

I know the brothers had their FG-1D there at Airsho '76. And They also owned their own HA-1112 at the time (now N700E at POF). AND, the Buchon in question that crashed, I have a photo of it with Gary Levitz listed as the primary sponsor...and Levitz and the Brothers were friends....so.........certainly is possible.

Michel Lemieux · **Posted:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:47 am

Wow tks Peter, those old pics are sure nice.

Any more of Scatterbrain Kid in the back ?

Brad · **Joined:** Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:30 pm **Posts:** 1132

Robbie Stuart wrote:

Jerry O'Neill wrote:

airnutz wrote:

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Here is the NTSB report on the Buchon accident...

NTSB Identification: FTW88DRG04 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35613.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, December 19, 1987 in HARLINGEN, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/14/1989
Aircraft: MBB 109, registration: N8575
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE SET OF FLOATS WHICH ALLOWS A HIGH FUEL FLOW IN THIS CARBURETOR FOR HIGH POWER SETTINGS USED FOR TAKEOFF, CLIMB, ETC., HAD CRACKED AND SWOLLEN TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THEY WERE RUBBING AGAINST THE FLOAT CHAMBER WALLS AND FLOAT CHAMBER SHROUD TUBES. THIS INTERFERENCE PREVENTED ADEQUATE FUEL FLOW FOR HIGH POWER OPERATION OF THE ENGINE DURING THE TAKEOFF CLIMB WHICH TERMINATED IN THE ACCIDENT. THERE WERE NO ENTRIES IN THE MAINTENANCE LOGS WHICH INDICATED ANY MAINTENANCE OR INTERNAL EXAMINATION OF THE CARBURETOR SINCE THE AIRCRAFT WAS NEW (1959).

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

AIRSPEED(VS)..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..DETERIORATED
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..MOVEMENT RESTRICTED

Index for Dec1987 | Index of months
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I think this is a different incident. The one that has been under discussion here happened in 1975 or 76.
Jerry

Yea Jerry. 2 different deals. The one in 87 was the end of the airplane & pilot. I'll be dam-ned if I can remember who was flying in the fatal accident. :roll:

Robbie,

It was Dick Baird that was killed in this particular wreck.

Robbie Stuart · **Posted:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:24 pm

Brad wrote:

Robbie Stuart wrote:

Jerry O'Neill wrote:

airnutz wrote:

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Here is the NTSB report on the Buchon accident...

NTSB Identification: FTW88DRG04 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 35613.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, December 19, 1987 in HARLINGEN, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/14/1989
Aircraft: MBB 109, registration: N8575
Injuries: 1 Fatal.
THE SET OF FLOATS WHICH ALLOWS A HIGH FUEL FLOW IN THIS CARBURETOR FOR HIGH POWER SETTINGS USED FOR TAKEOFF, CLIMB, ETC., HAD CRACKED AND SWOLLEN TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT THEY WERE RUBBING AGAINST THE FLOAT CHAMBER WALLS AND FLOAT CHAMBER SHROUD TUBES. THIS INTERFERENCE PREVENTED ADEQUATE FUEL FLOW FOR HIGH POWER OPERATION OF THE ENGINE DURING THE TAKEOFF CLIMB WHICH TERMINATED IN THE ACCIDENT. THERE WERE NO ENTRIES IN THE MAINTENANCE LOGS WHICH INDICATED ANY MAINTENANCE OR INTERNAL EXAMINATION OF THE CARBURETOR SINCE THE AIRCRAFT WAS NEW (1959).

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

AIRSPEED(VS)..NOT MAINTAINED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..DETERIORATED
FUEL SYSTEM,CARBURETOR FLOAT..MOVEMENT RESTRICTED

Index for Dec1987 | Index of months
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I think this is a different incident. The one that has been under discussion here happened in 1975 or 76.
Jerry

Yea Jerry. 2 different deals. The one in 87 was the end of the airplane & pilot. I'll be dam-ned if I can remember who was flying in the fatal accident. :roll:

Robbie,

It was Dick Baird that was killed in this particular wreck.

Thanks Brad. Very sad deal.
Robbie

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:07 pm

PeterA wrote:

Would this be your aeroplane?

'Transpo 1972', Washington.

PeterA

Yes it is thanks...

Lynn

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