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 Post subject: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 9:28 am 
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Hi all,
The Warbirds Resource Group recently took over control of the Forgotten Jets website, a passion project by Nathan Decker who spent 15 years putting together a great deal of information. The new address for the site is now http://forgottenjets.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/
Nathan expanded the site to include props. I will spin that off into a seperate sister site to be named Forgotten Props (clever huh?). In addition I will be collecting information to create an additional sister site to be named Forgotten Rotors (I'm on a roll here with the cleverness). These are as all of the projects on the site long term projects. But I need your help, putting together even just the serial number lists is time consuming, something I have in short supply. So I need help. If you would like to see an aircraft type added to any of these sites, the first step is serial number blocks.

Something like this is very useful:
147864/147867 Grumman YA2F-1 Intruder
148615/148618 Grumman YA2F-1 Intruder
148619/148626 Grumman A2F-1 Intruder
149475/149486 Grumman A-6A Intruder
149935/149958 Grumman A-6A Intruder
151558/151612 Grumman A2F-1 Intruder
151780/151827 Grumman A-6A Intruder
152583/152646 Grumman A-6A Intruder
152891/152954 Grumman A-6A Intruder
154124/154171 Grumman A-6A Intruder
155581/155721 Grumman A-6A Intruder
156994/157029 Grumman A-6A Intruder

156478/156482 Grumman EA-6B Prowler
156604/156607 Grumman EA-6B Prowler contract cancelled
157977/157979 Grumman EA-6B Prowler cancelled contract
158029/158040 Grumman EA-6B-30-GR Prowler
158540/158547 Grumman EA-6B-35-GR Prowler
158649/158651 Grumman EA-6B-40-GR Prowler
158799/158817 Grumman EA-6B-45-GR Prowler
159582/159587 Grumman EA-6B EXCAP Prowler
159907/159912 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
160432/160437 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
160609 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
160704/160709 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
160786/160791 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
161115/161120 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
161242/161247 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
161347/161352 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
161774/161775 Grumman EA-6B ICAP I Prowler
161776/161779 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Prowler
161880/161885 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Prowler
161886/161897 Grumman A-6E Intruder
162223/162246 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 82 Prowler
162231/162246 cancelled.
162934/162941 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 82 Prowler
162940 and 162941 cancelled
163030/163035 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 82 Prowler
163044/163048 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 82 Prowler
163049 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 86 Prowler
163395/163406 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 86 Prowler
163520/163531 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 86 Prowler
163884/163892 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 86 Prowler
164182/164193 Grumman EA-6B - contract cancelled
164401/164402 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 86 Prowler
164403 Grumman EA-6B ICAP II Block 89 Prowler


If you are interested in service histories and would like to help then please do so. Additions and Corrections can be place here or contact me.
Oh yeah, in service pictures will be added when available so here's a chance to use some of those old airshow pics :)

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 7:59 pm 
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Scott WRG Editor wrote:
Additions and Corrections can be place here or contact me.
Oh yeah, in service pictures will be added when available so here's a chance to use some of those old airshow pics :)

I'll start (additions in bold):
XAJ-1 Savage first prototype b/n 121460
*7/3/1948: First flight.
*3/1957: Struck off charge.
*NATC.
*Bailed to Grumman Corp.
*circa 1967: To NAEC Patuxent River for static load catapult testing (outer wings removed, bomb bay loaded with 10,000 lbs of iron ballast)
*circa 1974: Set aside for intended Fourth Naval District museum
*circa 1980: moved to NAS Norfolk and offered for sale
*5/1980: Sold to Peck Iron Metal of Portsmouth, VA and scrapped

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Scott, could you please PM me an email address so I can start sending the photos to you?

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:46 am 
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Savage is stretching it a bit as a forgotten jet - but I guess it just scrapes in...


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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:05 pm 
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How about T-37 Tweet? Here's a start:

XT-37 54-716
* Available 11Oct54
* First flight 12Oct54
* Accepted 23Oct54
* Delivered 23Oct54, to bailment test with Cessna Wichita.
* written off 10Aug55 near Lake Afton, 17 miles SW of Wichita KS after anti-spin chute broke off during spin testing: pilot Bob Hagan bailed out OK. Authorised for reclamation 10Aug55.

XT-37 54-717
Cessna bailment test, Wichita KS
* Class 26 20May57; eventually to Orange County Airport, CA by 1970 - to Planes of Fame, Chino?

XT-37 54-718
Cessna bailment test, Wichita KS
* Class 26 to Museum 27May57
* To USAF Museum, Wright Patterson AFB OH
* To Lackland AFB, TX as gate guard
* now on display at Mid America Air Museum, Liberal KS in late USAF trainer colors.

Hope this starts a new one...


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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
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Hi Scott,

Thanks for taking on the Forgotten Jets web site! It would have been a great shame to lose it.

Here is some additional information for NAA F-86F-30-NA Sabre 52-4689. This is from the USAF Service Card.

Manufactured by North American Aviation, Inglewood, CA
Delivered to USAF 22 Apr 1953.
Apr 1953 To 21st Fighter-Bomber Wing (Tactical Air Command), George AFB, CA (deployment to Eielson AFB, AK)
Mar 1954 To 401st Fighter-Bomber Group (TAC), Alexandria AFB, LA
Dec 1954 To 452nd Squadron, 322nd Fighter-Day Group (TAC), Foster AFB, TX
Jul 1955 To Sacramento Air Materiel Area, McClellan AFB, CA
Oct 1955 Dropped from inventory by transfer to Mutual Defense Assistance Plan (Venezuela)

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:48 am 
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quemerford wrote:
Savage is stretching it a bit as a forgotten jet - but I guess it just scrapes in...


Ahh... But looming on the horizon... Forgotten Props and Forgotten Rotors.... coming.... eventually.

Alas, it still doesn't help in this case. Maybe Forgotten Props because it has more props than jets?

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
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Update (additions in bold):
T-33A-1-LO s/n 49-917
*1951: USAF 5th FIS (52nd FIG).
*8/20/1951: Crashed on takeoff and set fire to an Army truck near McGuire AFB, NJ. Pilot and passenger were killed, along with nine Army personnel in the truck.
(Source: https://outlet.historicimages.com/products/nea25198)

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 am 
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Initial work on Mitsubishi F-4 Phantom IIs
http://forgottenjets.warbirdsresourcegr ... antom.html

Any service history would be welcome.

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
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XF-8U-1:

138899: accepted 04Apr56
BAR FA Dallas 04Apr56
R&D Dallas 21Feb57
stricken BAR Dallas 31Jan57

138900: exactly as above; both aircraft show stricken with zero hours: which I'd say indicates zero 'in service' hours.


XA4D-1:

137812: accepted 22Jun54
BAR M&S El Segundo 22Jun54
R&D El Segundo 23Jun54
stricken BuWeps El Segundo RDT&E 11Jan60 with 214 hrs

I have some F9F-9 (F11F-1) info if it would be of use.


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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 11:13 am 
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quemerford wrote:
XF-8U-1:

138899: accepted 04Apr56
BAR FA Dallas 04Apr56
R&D Dallas 21Feb57
stricken BAR Dallas 31Jan57

138900: exactly as above; both aircraft show stricken with zero hours: which I'd say indicates zero 'in service' hours.


XA4D-1:

137812: accepted 22Jun54
BAR M&S El Segundo 22Jun54
R&D El Segundo 23Jun54
stricken BuWeps El Segundo RDT&E 11Jan60 with 214 hrs

I have some F9F-9 (F11F-1) info if it would be of use.


Thanks. I will be accepting any and all information on any type, even it's not one of the types covered. I will be expanding the Forgotten Jets site as time permits.

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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
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F9F-9 Tiger (all carded as such)

138604
Accepted 15Oct64
BAR M&S Bethpage 15Oct54
R&D Bethpage 28Oct54
Crashed Peconic NY 19Oct54 after flameout
Stricken Bethpage 01Nov54 with 29 hrs

138605
Accepted 15Oct64
Accepted 15Oct64
BAR M&S Bethpage 15Oct54
R&D Bethpage 28Oct54
NAMC Philadelphia 01Jul57
Stricken NAMC 02Jul57 for ground training with 148 hrs

138606
Accepted 29Dec64
R&D Bethpage 30Dec54
NATC Patuxent River 18May59
O&R Norfolk 24May60
Stricken Norfolk 24May60 with 458 hrs

138607 – still on inventory (1962?), so no card

138608
Accepted 28Feb55
BAR M&S Bethpage 28Feb55
R&D Bethpage 04Mar55
NATC Patuxent River 16Mar57
O&R Norfolk 04Sep59
Stricken Norfolk 23Feb60 with 299 hrs


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 Post subject: Re: Forgotten Jets
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F9F-9 Tiger (all carded as such)

138604
Accepted 15Oct64
BAR M&S Bethpage 15Oct54
R&D Bethpage 28Oct54
Crashed Peconic NY 19Oct54 after flameout
Stricken Bethpage 01Nov54 with 29 hrs

138605
Accepted 15Oct64
Accepted 15Oct64
BAR M&S Bethpage 15Oct54
R&D Bethpage 28Oct54
NAMC Philadelphia 01Jul57
Stricken NAMC 02Jul57 for ground training with 148 hrs

138606
Accepted 29Dec64
R&D Bethpage 30Dec54
NATC Patuxent River 18May59
O&R Norfolk 24May60
Stricken Norfolk 24May60 with 458 hrs

138607 – still on inventory (1962?), so no card

138608
Accepted 28Feb55
BAR M&S Bethpage 28Feb55
R&D Bethpage 04Mar55
NATC Patuxent River 16Mar57
O&R Norfolk 04Sep59
Stricken Norfolk 23Feb60 with 299 hrs


Thanks Q, I've updated these aircraft
http://forgottenjets.warbirdsresourcegr ... 11F-1.html

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Hi Scott,

You got so many projects! :shock: I'd seriously consider making us pay a yearly subscription so you can quit your day job and make this your full time job. :D

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Hi Scott,

You got so many projects! :shock: I'd seriously consider making us pay a yearly subscription so you can quit your day job and make this your full time job. :D

:drink3:


Doing this full time is the dream. However, I can't see myself making it a mandatory subscription. If people want to support the site the can do so voluntarily (info in signature) :)

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Convair TF-102A:

54-1351: Project AMC 5F-640
Delivered 07Aug56 (sic)
Convair San Diego 30Nov55 (bailment test)
(Re-cat 07Sep56 (bailment: government furnished property))
San Antonio Air Materiel Area, Kelly AFB 28May57 (storage)
(Re-cat for depot work 17Oct57)
Convair Fort Worth 14Nov57 (contract work)
(Re-cat for bailment test 20May58)
6592nd Test Sqn Carswell AFB 12Sep58 (student and combat crew training)
Ogden Air Materiel Area, Hill AFB 11Feb60 (for work)
43rd BW Carswell AFB 27May60 (student and combat crew training)
San Antonio Air Materiel Area, Kelly AFB 13Dec61 (test support)
Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley AFB 12Feb62 (for work)
San Antonio Air Materiel Area, Kelly AFB 17May62 (test support)
169th FGp McEntire AFB 08Aug63 (student and combat crew training)
Oklahoma Air Materiel Area, Tinker AFB 08Jun64 (test support), etc…

54-1352: Project AMC 5F-640
Delivered 28Dec55
Hughes Culver City 28Dec55 (bailment test)
(Re-cat as JTF-102A 12Apr56)
San Bernardino Air Materiel Area, Norton AFB 06May59 (for work)
Air Force Missile Development Center, Holloman AFB 04Jan60 (test support)
Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley AFB 22Aug60 as TF-102A (for work)
146th FIS Greater Pittsburgh 18Aug61 (combat ready)
Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley AFB 07Nov61 (for work)
4756th ADGp Tyndall AFB 25Oct62 (student and combat crew training)
4780th ADW Perrin AFB 26Oct62 (student and combat crew training), etc…


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