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Adam Kline
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Here is Jack's interview with Cleat Roberts from 1979 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui_o257DZE0 Lots of the comments on the youtube are wrong too. Especially that Northrop couldn't talk or walk towards the end of his life. He had Parkinsons and was unstable, but he did like to talk.

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Especially that Northrop couldn't talk or walk towards the end of his life. He had Parkinsons and was unstable, but he did like to talk.
I saw him speak at an IPMS meeting around 1980. He was in a wheelchair but spoke quite well.
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Good stuff on flying all related Northop flying wings: Northrop Flying Wing Flight Testing from N-1 to B-2
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The B-2’s computers keep it from flying below a set flying speed. They don’t stall the airplane.


How do they land it?
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menards wrote:
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The B-2’s computers keep it from flying below a set flying speed. They don’t stall the airplane.


How do they land it?


I guess above stall speed. Sorta like most aircraft.

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Pogmusic wrote:
menards wrote:
marine air wrote:
The B-2’s computers keep it from flying below a set flying speed. They don’t stall the airplane.


How do they land it?


I guess above stall speed. Sorta like most aircraft.



Sorta like most aircraft? Don't most (all) aircraft stall in the flare?
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Sorta like most aircraft? Don't most (all) aircraft stall in the flare?

No, every aircraft is different. Some aircraft are landed prior to stall, some during the stall, and some in a full stall. Aircraft and aerodynamics are so different among designs that one can't make blanket statements concerning it.
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When I land the Ercoupe it is not in a stall, you can be close, but if it stalls it has a very large sink rate, but when I land a Citabria, it is in a stall

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Landing a floatplane or a boat in a stall is a very bad idea.

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Interesting report-
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... tsb-report
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Interesting report-
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... tsb-report

It shows the level of maturity/responsibility between NTSB GA accident investigators and the ones who handle part 121 accidents.

While it may have appeared to the witnesses that the airplane was doing a 'barrel roll', I suspect that was not what was really happening.

Uncorroborated witness statements like that are better left out of preliminaries.

Contrast that to the recent prelim released for the Atlas 767 which provides zero detail other than a 767 crashed and killed 3 people.
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The canopy coming off is an interesting detail. Structural failure?

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The canopy coming off is an interesting detail. Structural failure?

Or he tried to get out.. won't know the truth until the investigation is complete.

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Fearless Tower wrote:
Warbirdnerd wrote:
While it may have appeared to the witnesses that the airplane was doing a 'barrel roll', I suspect that was not what was really happening.
Uncorroborated witness statements like that are better left out of preliminaries.


This. Ask any cop, detective or any other accident/incident investigator what they think of the vast majority of eyewitness accounts, even for much more mundane occurrences than a/c accidents.

Get as many reports as you can, look for the commonalities, and you MIGHT get something useful.
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Adam Kline
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Adam Kline wrote:
The canopy coming off is an interesting detail. Structural failure?

Or he tried to get out.. won't know the truth until the investigation is complete.

Sean


On a M9MB that would be extremely less appealing then trying to save it.

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