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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:26 am 
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Anybody have or know of a list of the aircraft owned by Flight Systems Inc. since it's founding?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:05 pm 
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Flight Systems was bought by Tracor, then by BAE:

n_number serial_number mfr_name model name Status

1046D 811 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
1046G 824 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
1046P 826 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
1046S 848 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
2291B 1005 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
46901 1121 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5591C 887 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5591F 896 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5591K 936 NORTH AMERICAN F-86E FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5591M 950 NORTH AMERICAN F-86 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5591S 988 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
5592D 996 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
65331 892 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
711EQ P-278 BEECH B-60 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
8391W 28-2596 PIPER PA-28-180 FLIGHT SYSTEMS ENGINEERING INC Deregistered
8544 1031 CANADAIR F-86 MK.5 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
96120 923 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
96122 1042 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
96123 918 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
99594 1079 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
31333 53278 BOEING KC-97G TRACOR AVIATION INC Deregistered
398AG 088 ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES ASTRA SPX TRACOR INC Deregistered
399AG 090 ISRAEL AIRCRAFT INDUSTRIES ASTRA SPX TRACOR INC Deregistered
414FS 563826 NORTH AMERICAN F-100F TRACOR FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
422FS 637564 MCDONNELL AIRCRAFT CORP F-4C TRACOR FLIGHT SYS INC OPERATOR Deregistered
49548 53-280 BOEING KC-97G TRACOR AVIATION INC Deregistered
93FS 1137 CANADAIR F-86E MK.6 TRACOR FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC Deregistered
376D 465-76 ROCKWELL INTERNATIONAL CORP NA-265-65 BAE SYSTEMS TSS INC
39FS 62-4480 NORTH AMERICAN T-39A BAE SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS & SERVICES INC
424FS 64-0965 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS F4D BAE SYSTEMS FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC OPERATOR Deregistered
426FS 65-0763 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS F4D BAE SYSTEMS FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC OPERATOR Deregistered
427FS 66-7505 MCDONNELL DOUGLAS F4D BAE SYSTEMS FLIGHT SYSTEMS INC OPERATOR Deregistered
442RM 306-073 NORTH AMERICAN ROCKWELL NA265-60SC BAE SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS & SERVICES INC Deregistered
N100FS 282-38 North American NA-282 Sabreliner 40 N-number now reserved by someone else, but no other info
N305FS T33-159 Canadair CT-133 Silver Star 3 (CL-30) Now privately owned in Montana
N417FS 243-118 North American F-100F Super Sabre Now privately owned in Montana
N424FS 1423 McDonnell F-4D Phantom II Deregistered

This is what I could find off of the FAA records and from Airliners.net.


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If I recall, Bob Laidlaw started FSI off with one Sabre 6 (N186F) and three T-33/CT-133 N155X, N156X & N157X? (all ex-Flight Test Research Inc). Be aware that though Flight Systems 'owned' many Sabre 5s, these were only temporarily held during conversion to QF-86E for the US Army. The company also took Lockheed's chase Sabre 5 (N8544) in the mid-70s and had the FJ-4B N9255 from December 1971.

First QFs were N74170 and N74180, respectively.

N186F and N156X, April 1974:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:44 am 
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I thought I would add to the list of the Super Sabre's that I worked on while employed with FSI.

N404FS 56-3899A F-100F
N405FS 56-30221A F-100D
Both leased from USAF

N414FS 56-3826
N415FS 56-3844A
N416FS 56-3916
N417FS 56-3842A
N418FS 56-3996A
N419FS 56-3971
All six F models purchased from Danish air force for USAFE dart tow work in Sardinia. N415FS is the Collings plane not sure about the others.

N2011M 54-2091 F100C
N2011U 55-2888 F100D
N2011V 56-3948 F100F "


The plan for those last three was to purchase the rest of the Turkish planes and convert them all to drones but for some reason it never happened. The "C" is at the Yanks air museum, the "D" at the Palm Springs air museum and the "F" is the Cutshall plane.

I hope I got all those numbers correct.


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In thread #2..I assume the F4Ds quoted are actually F-4Ds?
Big difference. :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:41 am 
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JohnB wrote:
In thread #2..I assume the F4Ds quoted are actually F-4Ds?
Big difference. :D


Don't get me started on the whole missing/misplaced hyphen issue! Seems to be a modern phenomenon and it gets worse: the latest trend is to make the letter lower case: so we've gone from 'B-2' to 'B2', to 'b2' ('b2a' to be fully incorrect). I note other forums also calling the U-2 'U2', which is a beat combo from the 1980s. Again, big difference and makes the poster look like he/she doesn't know what they are talking about.


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While we're on it, FSI had three Dart target tug A-4s (A-4B?), N401FS, N402FS and N403FS.

I also recall an FSI 'gate guard' F-100 at one point, which I'm assuming wasn't ever a flyer.


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When the F-100 was on display at Mojave, gear gown and placed in a raised platform which looked to be a loading dock or foundation of an old building, I I took a photo of it next to my then new '79 Mustang fastback.

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I had forgotten about the F-100 in front of the tower building. Although it was painted up as an FSI plane for a while I don't think it ever flew for them. I believe it is F-100A s/n 53-1688 and flew for Flight Test Research as N100X. It was suppose to go on display near the veterans home in Lancaster, Ca.


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Thanks for the memory lane trip. I miss all the FSI stuff from what I consider the 'glory days' of Mojave. Those times are long gone, and I'd say 95% of the Mojave Mystique has blown away in the winds coming down off of the Tehachipis.

I remember back in the mid-90's I was flying out of Kadena AB in Okinawa, and one of the white and blue FSI (though I'm pretty sure it was TRACOR by then) F-86's was parked off the end of the ready alert hangars with a target hanging underneath the wing...I was so excited, but nobody else in the squadron even blinked an eye at it.

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quemerford wrote:
JohnB wrote:
In thread #2..I assume the F4Ds quoted are actually F-4Ds?
Big difference. :D


Don't get me started on the whole missing/misplaced hyphen issue! Seems to be a modern phenomenon and it gets worse: the latest trend is to make the letter lower case: so we've gone from 'B-2' to 'B2', to 'b2' ('b2a' to be fully incorrect). I note other forums also calling the U-2 'U2', which is a beat combo from the 1980s. Again, big difference and makes the poster look like he/she doesn't know what they are talking about.


Hey, I don't really care! I pretty much repeated what the FAA records said they were. Scott asked the question, I did some research to help out. I don't know squat about Flight Systems other than what I read in the funny papers and what I saw on my occasional excursions up there in the 1980s. I'll let the hyphen police sort it out from there.


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phixer wrote:
I had forgotten about the F-100 in front of the tower building. Although it was painted up as an FSI plane for a while I don't think it ever flew for them. I believe it is F-100A s/n 53-1688 and flew for Flight Test Research as N100X. It was suppose to go on display near the veterans home in Lancaster, Ca.


Found a negative of it: circa 1980.

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Is that F-100 the one that was painted black for a scene in the miniseries The Stand?

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Speedy wrote:
Thanks for the memory lane trip. I miss all the FSI stuff from what I consider the 'glory days' of Mojave. Those times are long gone, and I'd say 95% of the Mojave Mystique has blown away in the winds coming down off of the Tehachipis.....



As a young teen my Dad and I would fly there for the $100 cheeseburger in the late 1970's early 1980's and kick tires on the flight line- it was a magical ramp and you never knew what your were going to see, I clearly remember seeing Sabre's, T-33's, a two seat Meteor, F-100's, etc, etc. It was indeed special. I remember as a close by taxiing sabre pilot (cast out of Hollywood) gave me a nod.


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I agree, in my two visits there I saw the sub-scale Beech Starship at Scaled Composites and a weird prototype pusher, the OMAC.
Also the twin engine T-33 prototype.

It was fun to see the out of service passenger jets (a lot of Convair 990s) and the C-133s you saw in the backgrounds of many TV shows and films.

If course the biggest thrill was seeing Airwof at the Bell distributorship at Van Nuys.

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