Here's #80 NAA P-5 I K "Second Fiddle" as it appeared a few weeks ago.
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| Author: | Wolverine [ Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Surviving Vintage racers |
How many original survivors are there? Here's what I can think of off the top of my head. 1) DH 88-1 with Shuttleworth (Grovensor) and 1 other in UK (Black Magic) 2) Travel Air Mystery Ship-in California 3) Travel Air 5000- the Woolaroc at Woolaroc in OK 4) Laird-Turner Meteor--Smithsonian 5) Wittman racer in Oshkosh and Smithsonian. I know there are more. Enlighten me please. |
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| Author: | bdk [ Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Surviving Vintage racers |
Wolverine wrote: How many original survivors are there?
Here's what I can think of off the top of my head. 1) DH 88-1 with Shuttleworth (Grovensor) and 1 other in UK (Black Magic) 2) Travel Air Mystery Ship-in California 3) Travel Air 5000- the Woolaroc at Woolaroc in OK 4) Laird-Turner Meteor--Smithsonian 5) Wittman racer in Oshkosh and Smithsonian. I know there are more. Enlighten me please. Keith Rider R-4 and R-6 with Planes of Fame (along with a Cosmic Wind and one or two more Goodyear racers): http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/unkn/rid-r4.htm http://aeroweb.brooklyn.cuny.edu/specs/unkn/rid-r6.htm Frank Hawks' "Texaco 13" Travel-Air Mystery Ship is at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. NEAM has the Keith Rider R-3/Marcoux-Bromberg Special: http://www.neam.org/marcoux4.htm |
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| Author: | Jeffrey [ Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:51 pm ] |
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depending on how far you want to go with this and where, there's harry butler's bristol M.1C which won the first, as far as I know only, aerial derby here in Adelaide South Australia. It presently is on display in a town called Minlaton. |
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| Author: | kennsmithf2g [ Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:39 pm ] |
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Hi, Depending how far back you wish to go, The 2004 program guide from the Society of Air Racing Historians Symposium lists the following survivors: 1909-192 Gorden Bennett Trophy Racers -2- survive 1013-1931 Schneider Cup races -7- survive Pre-war Long Distance Racers -6- survive 1920-1925 Pulitzer Trophy Racers -1- survivor & wings from -2- others 1933-1936 Coupe Deutsch de la Muerthe -4- survive pre-war US National Air racers -44- survive other 1930's racers -6- survive 1946-1949 Cleveland National Air Racers -22- ex-warbirds -17- Goodyear Class -2- jets TTFN....Kenn |
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| Author: | canadair [ Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | mystery ship |
Hi, any chance you could post some pictures of the Mystery ship, and perhaps a description of it's current status? thanks |
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| Author: | canadair [ Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mystery Ship |
Thanks, looking forward to them, any and all info on such a project would be greatly appreciated! |
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| Author: | Wolverine [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:03 pm ] |
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How many Mystery Ships survive? What happened to the Barnes' one? |
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| Author: | turbo_NZ [ Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:00 pm ] |
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Hey, don't forget the Hughes H-1B at the Smithsonian. (correct me if I'm wrong) TNZ |
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| Author: | JimH [ Sun Mar 13, 2005 7:42 pm ] |
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Ike and Mike Pete Goon Crosby CR-4 Wittmans Chief Oshkosh/ Buster Bonzo Roscoe Turners LTR and Wedell Williams #57 Marceaux Bomberg Hughes Racer Gee Bee QED in Mexico City Caudron (in France) to name a few Jim |
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| Author: | Melvyn Hiscock [ Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:05 pm ] |
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A good friend has a C-34 Airmaster that was owned by Roscoe Turner. Dunno if he raced it though. MH |
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| Author: | kennsmithf2g [ Sat Apr 23, 2005 8:52 pm ] |
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Hi Here is a list thru the 1950's compiled by the Society of Air Racing Historians. It is a dynamic list as planes are always being addded. Our website is www.airrace.com . We are having our annual Symposium this comming weekend in Cleveland, Ohio. For more information, see our website www.airrace.com Kenn Smith Symposium Tape Librarian Society of Air Racing Historians Historic Racing Planes Still in Existence Prepared by the Society of Air Racing Historians - February, 2004 1909-1920 Gordon Bennett Trophy Races 1910 Baby Wright Racer - Musee del'Air, le Bourget Aeroport, Paris, France 1920 Dayton-Wright Racer - Henry Ford Museum, Dearborn, Michigan 1913-1931 Schneider Cup Races 1919 Supermarine Sea Lion I -hull in Science Museum, London, England 1925 Curtiss R3C-2 (A-7054) - National Air & Space Museum, Washington, D.C. 1925 Macchi M.39 (MM76) – Italian Air Force Museum, Vigna di Valle, Italy 1929 Supermarine S.6A (N-248) - R. J. Mitchell Museum, Southampton, England 1929 Macchi M.67 (MM 105) - Italian Air Force Museum, Vigna di Valle, Italy 1929 Fiat C.29 - Italian Air Force Museum, Vigna di Valle, Italy 1931 Supermarine S.6B (S. 1595) - Science Museum, London, England Pre-War Long-Distance Races GeeBee R.6H "Q.E.D." - Municipal Museum, Ciudad Lerdo, Mexico deHavilland 88 Comet "Grosvenor House" G-ACSS - active at Old Warden Aerodrome, England deHavilland 88 Comet "Black Magic" G-ACSP - under restoration by Ken Fem, in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England Percival Mew Gull G-AEXF - Tony Smith, Real Aeroplane Co., Breighton, Yorkshire, England Boeing 247 NR-25 7Y - as NC-13369 in National Air & Space Museum, Washington, D.C. Travelair Woolaroe - Woolaroe Museum, Bartlesville, Oklahoma 1920-1925 Pulitzer Trophy Races Curtiss R-? - wing panel in USAF Museum, Dayton, Ohio Curtiss R-? - wing panel in Arkansas Air Museum, Fayetteville, Arkansas 1925 Curtiss R3C-2 - in National Air & Space Museum on floats 1933-1936 Coupe Deutsch de la Muerthe Bugatti I 00 - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Caudron-Regnier - Musee de I'Air, le Bourget Aerodrome, Paris, France Potez 53 - Musee de I'Air, le Bourget Aerodrome, Paris, France Varivol V-66 - never completed; under restoration by GPPA in Angers, France Pre-War U.S. National Air Races (* flying) *Bird (N 114K, Melba Beard) -Arlene Beard, Clovis, California Brown B-1 (NX-83Y) - ca. Tampa-St. Petersburg, Florida Cessna C-34 Airmaster (NC- 15463) - in Sweden as SE-AML. Chester Jeep - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Chester Goon - stored by Crawford Aviation & Auto Museum, Cleveland, Ohio Church Midwing (X9167) - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Crosby CR-4 - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin *Davis D- I -W (NC- 13576) - Roy Wicker & Barabara Kitchens, Quitman, Georgia Falck Special - never completed by Bill Falck; in EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Howard DGA-3 Pete - Crawford Aviation & Auto Museum, Cleveland, Ohio Howard DGA-4 Mike - Joey Binder, Fremont, Ohio Howard DGA-5 Ike - Joey Binder, Fremont, Ohio Kadiak Speedster (originally N11312) -Tom Chiodo, based in Sacramento, California *Laird Commercial (NC- 110) - Douglas Fuss, Arlington, Texas Laird Solution - BradleyAir Museum, Windsor Locks, Connecticut Laird Super Solution - fuselage framework in National Air & Space Museum, Dulles Intemafional Airport Viginia Laird Speedwing - Laird-Turner LTR- 14 - National Air & Space Museum, Dulles Airport Virginia Lockheed Orion (NR- 12222) - Swiss Transport Museum, Luzerne, Switzerland Lockheed Vega "Winnie Mae" - National Air & Space Museum, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Vega (NR-7954) - ?? Lockheed Vega (X7429) - pieces owned by Historic Aircraft Inc., Chalfont, Pensylvania Keith Rider R-3 Marcoux-Bromberg - New England Air Museum, Windsor Locks, Connecticut Keith Rider R-4 Schoenfeldt "Firecracker'- Planes of Fame, Chino, California Keith Rider R-5 "Jackrabbit'- EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Keith Rider R-6 "8-Ball" - Planes of Fame, Chino, California *Monocoupe (NC- 12345) - College Park Airport, College Park, Maryland Monocoupe (NR-105W) - under, restoration by George Evans in Cave Creek, Arizona Monocoupe 113 Special (NR8917) - stored by Ed Saurenman, Wichita, Kansas Mummert Mercury (X-13223) - Glenn Curtiss Museum, Hammondsport, New York Mummert Mercury (NR- 10360) - Rearwin 2000 Ken-Royce (NC592H) - Old Kingsbury Aerodrome, Kingsbury,Texas *Spartan Executive #51 (NC- 17605) - Screaming Eagle Aviation, Santa Paula, California *Spartan Executive #72 (NC- 17615) - Jim Patterson, Louisville, Kentucky Tilbury-Fundy "Flash”- McLean County Museum, Bloomington, Illinois Travel Air Mystery (NR-613K) - Bames Aviation, Mojave, California Travel Air Mystery (NR-614K) - Staggerwing Museum, Tullahoma, Tennessee Travel Air Mystery (NR- 1 313) - Museum of Science and Industry, Chicago, Illinois *Travel Air 4000 (NR-671H, Louise Thaden, 1929 Women's Air Derby) - Air & Space Museum, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Travel Air 4000 (NC-4419) - under restoration in Williamson, Georgia *Travel Air 4000 (NC8192) - Russ Ward, New Zealand) *Waco CRG (N600Y, 2 nd in 1930 Ford Air Tour) - Peter Heins, Arcanum, Ohio Wedell Williams #57 – Crawford Aviation & Auto Museum, Cleveland, Ohio Wittman "Bonzo" - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin Other 1930's European Racers Comper Swift (G-ABTC) - Cornwall, England Comper Swift (G-ABUS) - under restoration, Ludlow, England Comper Swift (G-ABUU) - West Sussex, England Comper Swift "Scarlet Angel" (G-ACTF) - Old Warden Aerodrome, England Miles M.2L Hawk Speed Six (G-ADGP) - Wokinghain, England Miles M.5 Sparrowhawk (G-ADNL) - being restored by Tirn Cox in England 1946-1949 Cleveland National Air Races (Thompson, Bendix, etc. Trophy Races) #2 North American A-36A-on display in USAF Museum, Dayton, Ohio #11 Lockheed F-5G"City Slicker'-U.S.Air Force Museum, Dayton, Ohio #12 BelIP-39Q"GallopingGertie'-National Air & Space Museum, Dulles Airport, Virginia #14 Lockheed P-38L N25Y-damaged, Marvin "Lefty" Gardner Austin, Texas #15 BelI P-39Q N4829N-Air Zoo Museum, Kalmnazoo, Michigan #21 BelI P-63F-Commemorative Air Force #37 NAA P-51D (as N51DH)-McMinnville, Oregon #42 Republic P-47M –Yankee Air Museum, Chino, California #45 NAA P-5 I D - (New England Air Museum, Windsor Locks, Connecticut) #46 NAA P-5 I C - as warbird in Fantasy of Flight museum, Polk City, Florida #47 Lockheed F-5G-Tom Reilly Vintage Aircraft, Kissimmee,Florida #55 Lockheed F-5G-McGuire AFB, NewJersey #57 Goodyear F2G - flying: Bob Odegaard, Kindred, North Dakota #60 NAA P-5 I C -Aerospace Museum, San Diego, California #74 Goodyear F2G - under restoration, Bob Odegaard, Kindred, North Dakota #80 NAA P-5 I K "Second Fiddle" - Crawford Aviation & Auto Museum, Cleveland, Ohio #80 Spitfire XIV - active (as C-GSPT), Robert. Jens, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada #87 BelI P-63C-flying with The Old Flying Machine Co., Duxford Airfield ,England #90/#99 Goodyear FG- 1D - Fantasy of Flight Museum, Polk City, Florida #92 Goodyear FG- 1D - pieces in Walter Soplata's collection, Newbury, Ohio #92 Bell P-63C - Southport Aviation, Inc., Reno, Nevada #95 Lockheed F-5G - Flying Heritage Collection, Bellevue, Washington 1946-1949 Cleveland National Air Races (Goodyear Trophy Races) #1 Wittman"Bonzo"-EAA Museum, Oshkosh Wisconsin #3 Cosmic Wind "Little Toni" - under restoration in Washington State? #4 Cosmic Wind "Minnow" - under restoration in Peterborough, England #5 Cosmic Wind "Ballerina" - under restoration in Nottingham, England #7 Chester "Swee’ Pea'- stored in southern California # 14 Miller "Little Gem" – as 'Ole Tiger' in municipal museum, Whittier, California #16 Mercury Air "Shoestring'-The Air Museum, Chino, California #20 Wittman "Buster'- National Air & Space Museum, Washington, D.C. #29 L.I.T. "Chappy" - Lawrence Technological University, Southfield, Michigan #31 Kistler Special - ?? #44 Loose Special - George Fairfield, Wyoming #59 Christensen "Zipper" -to be restored in Lakeville, Minnesota #67 Long "P-Shooter" - EAA Museum, Oshkosh, Wisconsin #81 Francis & Angell "Whistler" - restored, location unknown #85 Hurlburt "Hurricane" - stored in California #94 Foss "Ginny" - under restoration by Mike Dewey, Santa Paula, California #95 Allenbaugh 'Califomian" - under restoration by Robin Reid, Sunnyvale, California 1946-1949 Cleveland National Air Races (military jet races) Lockheed P-80A (m/s 44-85123) 1946 Thompson J-Division winner- Lackland AFB, San Antonio, Texas NAA F-86A (m/s 48-263) 1949 Thompson J-Division winner - Crawford Aviation and Auto Museum, Cleveland, Ohio 1950's 190 Cu. In. Class Racers #74 Mayer "Mr. D" – Quonset Air Museum, Rhode Island #88 Kensinger & Corkill “tater Chip" - Jim Sampson, Indianapolis, Indiana |
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| Author: | bdk [ Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:57 pm ] |
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What about the P-51 Galloping Ghost, Miss Candace, Jeannie, Spectre, & Leeward Air Ranch Special? 44-15651 N79111 |
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| Author: | CorsairFreak [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:26 pm ] |
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Here's #80 NAA P-5 I K "Second Fiddle" as it appeared a few weeks ago.
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| Author: | bdk [ Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:21 pm ] |
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CorsairFreak wrote: Here's #80 NAA P-5 I K "Second Fiddle" as it appeared a few weeks ago. Hmmmm.... I wonder if they'd be willing to trade a fiberglass replica for that?  I like it!
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| Author: | HarvardIV [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:17 am ] |
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Quote: How many original survivors are there?
Here's what I can think of off the top of my head. 1) DH 88-1 with Shuttleworth (Grovensor) and 1 other in UK (Black Magic) 2) Travel Air Mystery Ship-in California 3) Travel Air 5000- the Woolaroc at Woolaroc in OK 4) Laird-Turner Meteor--Smithsonian 5) Wittman racer in Oshkosh and Smithsonian. I know there are more. Enlighten me please. If I remember right the DH-88 is a replica. |
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