Warbird Information Exchange

Condolences to family members.

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news ... YA5Vko09WU

Suspected cargo shift on rotation- aircraft info posted in next post below

Where do you get that info from? Is that your guess or from some authoritative source?

I check several sites to cross confirm.

*edited by WixMod Charlie*

The Inspector wrote:

bombadier29 wrote:He just posts what he hears on news channels and reads on the internet and then acts like its inside information. Sort of like he does when he quotes a long line of numbers and data on an airplane and forgets to mention that it is word for word off of Baugher's site.

Ah, no, it's NOT word for word off Baughers site, I check several sites to cross confirm. I've had enough of you and your psychotic sniper actions-when I'm finished writing this reply, the next one goes straight to Scott to get you kicked off here and banned-

Powerful stuff there...

"Bombardier29" has been banned for 1 month after repeated insults to other members.

So if cargo did shift, it could be a CG problem, or perhaps some control cables were fouled?

If shifting cargo wasn't a factor, is there something in the control system or control logic that might be responsible?

Of course this assumes it wasn't something simple like a seat track failure or a conventional mechanical failure.

Just some speculation with no information whatsoever to go on besides a distant video. I hope the black (orange) box has survived and will yield more factual info soon.

The cargo shift rumor is repeated on http://www.avherald.com/h?article=46183bb4&opt=0

It does appear to be borne out by the video which is what an aft out of envelope CG would likely do.

bdk wrote:So if cargo did shift, it could be a CG problem, or perhaps some control cables were fouled?

If shifting cargo wasn't a factor, is there something in the control system or control logic that might be responsible?

Of course this assumes it wasn't something simple like a seat track failure or a conventional mechanical failure.

Just some speculation with no information whatsoever to go on besides a distant video. I hope the black (orange) box has survived and will yield more factual info soon.

747-400 flight deck seats are electric in operation ( a flight line guy laying next to the pedestal got gooshed fatally in the early 1990's @ KPAE when his coat snagged on the 'aft' switch and he couldn't shut the seat off). Most of the cables run under the main deck floor (except NGS which run in the lower 41 section sidewalls) and those few from the flight deck down to the underfloor are shielded and have very stout protectors/guards in the cable runs, real metal cables are few since most of the flight system in -400's is FBW, I believe backup rudder is the only system with cables like the 757 and 767 have. The 'Triple' is all electric flight controls.

UPS came very close to losing a D-8-71 on takeoff several years ago when a loose pallet shifted aft, but it got wedged in the siderail guards when it fortunately turned sideways 'just enough'

A specialist on Fox News mentioned two other accidents with the same type of aircraft in recent years. One was due to load shift, and the other was due to broken linkage at the elevator.

Rob Mears wrote:A specialist on Fox News...

Oxymoron.

Cheap shots for cheap suits.

Rob Mears wrote:Your statement speaks far more about you than the subject matter (yawn). Cheap shots for cheap suits.

Fine. You're free to continue getting your information[sic] from wherever you choose. Me, I'll wait for something more authoritative.

I guess an NTSB rep with quantifiable facts in hand doesn't do it for you then? Your Liberal prejudice is not doing you an favors in regard to higher enlightenment. Not a personal jab, just the facts.

Here's some enlightenment for you, if you dare:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2343730339001/what-caused-deadly-cargo-plane-crash-in-afghanistan/?playlist_id=2114913880001