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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:54 pm 
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I just came across this article on another website.

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Remains of German WWII Ace Found
Associated Press | August 14, 2007
ROME - Italian volunteers located the plane of a German ace shot down during World War II as well as the pilot's remains, including the dog tag and good luck charms he carried into combat, they said Tuesday.

The volunteers found the plane flown by Flight Sgt. Maximilian Volke - a Munich-born pilot credited with shooting down 37 enemy planes - near the site of the German defensive line that witnessed months of bloody battles as the Allies fought to liberate northern Italy.

The amateur researchers narrowed down their search area based on information from state archives and accounts of those who witnessed the ace's final air battle in 1944, said Leo Venieri, the president of Romagna Air Finders, a group that scours the countryside for missing World War II pilots around the northern Italian region of Emilia Romagna.

Volke's Messerschmitt Bf 109 was dug out of a farmer's field just north of Modena in July. The pilot's remains, which had sunk to a depth of 11 meters (36 feet) in the soft terrain, were well preserved, Venieri said.

The dig yielded artifacts including the plane's engine and the pilot's radio microphone, as well as a wallet with money, documents and images of the Virgin Mary and an African elephant.

"He probably carried the images for good luck," Venieri told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "The positive identification came from the dog tag we found in his pocket."

Volke, a veteran of campaigns in Russia and Africa, was 29 when he took off from a northern Italian air base on Sept. 5, 1944, with three other fighters to intercept a group of nine American B-25 bombers. He was shot down by gunners in one of the U.S. planes, Venieri said, citing witness accounts and the bomber squadron's logs.

The pilot's remains have been sent to the University of Modena for an autopsy and Venieri's group plans to bury him in September at the German war cemetery of Passo della Futa, between Bologna and Florence.

Venieri said he has been in contact with one of Volke's cousins in Munich and plans to ask the family to attend the funeral.

Gerhard Bletschacher, whose wife is Volke's cousin, told the AP the family was surprised to hear of the find earlier this year - particularly since they had been informed in 1944 that Volke's body had been found and properly buried.

"It is naturally a surprise - on one hand we have this notice that he was buried and now on the other this that he's been found after 60 years - we don't know what is right," Bletschacher said from his home in Munich.

He said the original letter could have been just an attempt to make the family feel better, however, and that maybe modern techniques like DNA matching could help put the matter to rest.

"It's great what they are doing there," he said of the Air Finders group.

World War II finds remain common in areas of Europe that saw fierce fighting, including the Italian regions of Tuscany and Emilia Romagna, where Nazi troops held the "Gothic Line" in 1944 and 1945 to try to stop allied forces from breaking through to northern Italy.

Dictator Benito Mussolini had set up a puppet state in the north after Italy ousted the fascist regime and sided with the Allies against its former German allies. Nazi troops committed atrocities, killing thousands of civilians, as they retreated across central and northern Italy.

The 60 volunteers of Romagna Air Finders have located the remains of 19 planes as well as four German pilots, two Britons, two Italians and one Brazilian since the group was founded in 2000. The pilots are usually given a funeral and their personal effects and planes are put on display at a museum set up by the group in the town of Fusignano, east of Bologna.

"There is a humanitarian value to giving a burial to missing soldiers and there is a message of peace that we send when young people come to our museum and see the effects of war," Venieri said.


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Mirandola, Italy - Thanks to his identification tag
(WAPA) - The German pilot whose body was found in a World War II airplane (a Messerschmitt) in an area of Mirandola (Bologna) last July 9 (see AVIONEWS) has now a name: marshal Maximilian Volke, born in Munich on May 23, 1915, who died in the skies of Mirandola during an air combat against allied airplanes on September 5, 1944.

The recovery of the historical aircraft, earthed for two years, has been carried out by an association called "Romagna Air Finders". He was a German aviation ace, who shot down 37 allied airplanes before dying. Just after he got shot down, together with three other German planes Volke was countering the demolition of the railway bridge of Polesella by nine B-25 airplanes.

The German pilot was shot down about 32 miles from the American target and he probably was one of the last pilots hit in the Italian skies. The Messerschmitt is the nineteenth war aircraft recovery carried out by the association, born in Lugo di Romagna in 2001 and based in Conselice (Ravenna). For details, see AVIONEWS.

Among the planes recovered by "Romagna Air Finders": four Spitfire, one P-38 Lightning, one B-24 Liberator "Take of Time" one Macchi C-205 Veltro and one P-47 Thunderbolt. The remains of lieutenent Giovanni Battista Boscutti, sergeant-major Alverino Capatti, marshal Hans Forler, captain Assad B. Assad del Saaf (South Africa), marshal Karl Heinz Schminke, English captain Douglas McKenzie Leitch of 72nd Squadron and the pilot Hans Joachim Fischer, in addition of course to those of marshal Volke, have received a worthy burial thanks to the association. (Avionews)

(00019) 070717185506-1077024 (World Aeronautical Press Agency - 2007-07-17 06:55 pm)


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Great work done by these guys, will be interesting to see some pics of the aircraft recovered


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Yeah Im curious about the condition of the aircraft too. We talking big chucks, like the whole or partial airframe and wings, or is it just a lot twisted muddy little pieces?

Either way, its a significant find! What about the other aircraft the group has recovered? What were the conditions of those? Website for the group?

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Loss info for Max Volke:

Bf 109G-6
WNr 441456
Volke, FhjOfw. Maximilian (36 victories). Deutsches Kreuz recipient.
6./JG 77
5/9/1944 KIA in combat near Mirandola, a/c 100% loss.

It's good to hear they found him and will be bringing him home.

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truly amazing!!! did they use metal detectors?? ground sonar?? or what??

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tom d. friedman wrote:
truly amazing!!! did they use metal detectors?? ground sonar?? or what??


Those are all interesting questions! I wish there was some published photos or a website to see what the crash site looked like and the condition of the aircraft parts. What I found amazing was that they were able to recover personal artifacts like his wallet. :shock:

One question I have is how researchers track down and identify the remains of axis service members? When it comes to dog tages the German & Japanese only had a unit and number listed on the tag and no name of the service member. Is there a master list of German service numbers to access for identifying dog tags? Or were these numbers strictly assigned by the unit that the soldier was assigned to?

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tom d. friedman wrote:
truly amazing!!! did they use metal detectors?? ground sonar?? or what??


Those are all interesting questions! I wish there was some published photos or a website to see what the crash site looked like and the condition of the aircraft parts. What I found amazing was that they were able to recover personal artifacts like his wallet. :shock:

One question I have is how researchers track down and identify the remains of axis service members? When it comes to dog tages the German & Japanese only had a unit and number listed on the tag and no name of the service member. Is there a master list of German service numbers to access for identifying dog tags? Or were these numbers strictly assigned by the unit that the soldier was assigned to?

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Warhawk wrote:
jpeters wrote:
tom d. friedman wrote:
truly amazing!!! did they use metal detectors?? ground sonar?? or what??


Those are all interesting questions! I wish there was some published photos or a website to see what the crash site looked like and the condition of the aircraft parts. What I found amazing was that they were able to recover personal artifacts like his wallet. :shock:

One question I have is how researchers track down and identify the remains of axis service members? When it comes to dog tages the German & Japanese only had a unit and number listed on the tag and no name of the service member. Is there a master list of German service numbers to access for identifying dog tags? Or were these numbers strictly assigned by the unit that the soldier was assigned to?

John


Pictures and commentary.

http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/discus ... dd=5219989


Awesome pics Warhawk...thanks for sharing the link!!! :shock: I'm amazed at the condition of some of the artifacts.

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while still waiting for answers & cruising this great thread, i thought to my self about the awesome sound / metal detecting technology that is available today, & either can penetrate ton's of dirt & rock. as the more accessible wrecks are discovered & "easy" recoveries become rare, this new terra firma method will eventually abound. to date, probably the biggest treasure of warbirds lies in the ww 2 cbi....... china/ burma / india theater (the hump / himilayan mountains) a deep sea ocean recovery would be easier than in that region. it is the most inaccessible mountain range in the world.

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wow that is truly amazing to see the cloth so well preserved!


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