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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:03 pm 
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A close call!!


http://p51d20na.club.fr/bf109g_lfa.wmv

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Who was flying the 109? Great video. Thanks for putting it up.
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Which part is the close call?


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Who was flying it. It looks like he stalled at the top of that Immelman, and then nearly lost it on the recovery. As indicated by that skid on the third roll during recovery, and the resulting low margin pull up. Don't do low level aerobatics until you can do every maneuver flawlessly at altitude!


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Great Video! I like the hammerhead lookin thing he did. Thats kinda ballsy.

Laurent, Great Video! Thanks!

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Love the Growl & Whistle of the DB605!

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Love the Growl & Whistle of the DB605!


Yes, it sounds a lot like a Spitfire or Mustang!


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Yes, it sounds a lot like a Spitfire or Mustang!


Yes, in much the same way that a B-17 sounds like the UPS truck. :twisted:

The supercharger whine and sharp crack of the exhaust note from a DB engine is quite a bit different than the smooth growl of a Merlin. 'Course, that's just my opinion, formed while standing next to a DB601 roaring away at full chat... :D

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gotta agree - there is definately more of a "whine" as it passes rather than the smooth roar of the Mustang.

reminds me of a Lotus Esprit vs a Mustang Cobra

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darn right, DB has a sound all of its own , the whistle of the G-10 conversion whipping by at Wanaka in 1996 was something else !

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Rob:

A mistake is a mistake regardless of who makes it. That was a very foolish maneuver at that altitude. Look at that video again, do you realize if the plane would've skidded much more the plane would've violently snap rolled in.


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He would have been all right if he hadn't tried the second roll which was almost a snap roll with a stall thrown it there. Also he was to slow and had everything hanging out when he was coming around for his down wind in the end. Those things will bite you.

I wish our UPS truck sounded like that 605, I would be with the rest of the dogs running after it 8)


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I don't know. I've seen guys do that kind of stuff in Extra's and those kinda planes all the time at those altitudes. Granted, an Extra is not a 109, but I figure that whoever owns that plane, ain't gonna hand the keys over to a guy who doesn't have his sh1t wired pretty tight.

I'm like probably everyone else here. No acro experience, No 109 time.

I read the stuff over on Flypast also. It looks like two schools of thought have developed.

1. He departed.

2. He didn't depart.

I'm leaning toward two personally. Given my first statement, you gotta be someone special to even sit in one, let alone fly it, that pretty much sets the tone for my thinking. Saying that, out of a very remarkable ride, the most remarkable thing I can say is rudder. That was a big yaw. Any more and the question would be answered by a very low level inverted departure. Deliberate, or not. Corrected mistake, or not. The only guy who can answer that truthfully is the pilot himself. All I can say to him is, Thanks for the great show! Thanks to the owner for having it out! And thanks to Laurent for filming it!

As for flying a rare plane, and flying that way. Awesome! I want more! If I had my way the Spirit of St Louis would be doing low levels at airshows and the Spruce Goose would have a kick a$$ 300 speaker sound system, 700 gallons of booze, 75 strippers, and a weekly, party to Oahu flight. Yeeehaa!

When I get my 109 (the other red 7, preferably), we'll go up and depart it at 10000 feet, and have Roger film it going. Then we'll know a little more about 109's.

Another thought, It would be cool if one of the big shot dudes lurking about WIX could give Steve Hinton or David Price, the CAF Dudes, The Russell Dudes, or the Messerschmitt Foundation Dudes a ring, and ask them if they could post a few 109 experiences here. I'm serious. I know that horsepower exists here.

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Ask Skip Holm.........

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Good call Lynn!

I read it before, but for those who haven't,

http://www.skipholm.com/willy-messerschmitt.htm


The site has no contact info, (probably because retards like me), anybody wanna PM me an email address, I swear I'll be polite.

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