let see a warbird do this..... the rnzaf has balls...

[sabredriver]

http://www.warbirdz.net/phpBB2/viewtopi ... =6599#6599

what do people think of the rnzaf carrier air wing "fighter" doing a sharp pull up after a cat shot?

[Dave Homewood]

Ah, that's Les's photo from my forum. If you want to see some other shots from that take-off and loads more from that very good airshow check the thread out here

http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi? ... 571&page=1

Also you can see the manouevre, which is standard in the RNZAF Boeing display, explained by one of the pilots in a film linked from this thread

[Bill Greenwood]

Looking at the photo you see a steep nose up attitude with some right bank, and the airspeed is likely low since the gear and some flaps are down. I don't know much about flying big airplanes( some doubt I know much about small airplanes or anything else) however I wonder what happens if an engine, especially the right one, fails suddenly. Does the pilot smoothly lower the nose, level the wings and clean up the gear and make a safe single engine climb? They must know the answer from practicing this at altitude, before doing it for real don't you think?

[Junkyard36]

Daaaaang!

[T33driver]

Looking at the photo you see a steep nose up attitude with some right bank, and the airspeed is likely low since the gear and some flaps are down. I don't know much about flying big airplanes( some doubt I know much about small airplanes or anything else) however I wonder what happens if an engine, especially the right one, fails suddenly. Does the pilot smoothly lower the nose, level the wings and clean up the gear and make a safe single engine climb? They must know the answer from practicing this at altitude, before doing it for real don't you think?

I've got over 2000 hours in Boeing 757s and I can tell you if it's light on fuel/payload, it has what feels like fighter-like excess thrust. Even at max gross weight out of Denver in a hot summer day it's performance is impressive. Loaded up heavy, we rarely used full rated takeoff power, but used a reduced thrust settings (increases engine life and reduces risk of failure on takeoff). If the aircraft is light on payload/fuel and lost #2 right after liftoff doing a steep climb like the RZNAF dude, he'd have to quickly and simultaneously lower the nose, input left rudder, and reduce power on #1. He'd still have excess thrust/energy and plenty of rudder authority to keep it from rolling right/inverted...just better not dilly dally on corrections if he loses one at such a high angle of attack. The 757 is still one of my favorite airplanes to fly--looks great, flies great, responsive control feel, very sporty for such a big piece of iron.

[airnutz]

Thanks Sabredriver and Dave for the excellent links. Nice vid of the C-130 deploying the flare salvo on page 2...
http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi? ... 571&page=2

Also a good long range perspective shot of the 757 pullout ,on page 5

[Bill Greenwood]

That must be why all the cabin crews annouce " no beverage service on this flight" before takeoff with Paul? So anyway, we have the official expert word that the manuever is safer then it looks.

[Chad Veich]

Go here for a few words by the pilot of the 757 concerning the maneuver pictured.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/ge ... n/3157106/

[Bill Greenwood]

The original post used said "pullup after a cat shot" , so I assumned it meant after takoff, never having actually shot a cat. In Texas you usually just sic a big dog on em. I also guessed the airspeed would be fairly slow since gear and flaps were down. I had no real idea of max gear speed for a 757, it must be some stout gear to withstand 350 knots. So looks like I was wrong on both counts. This does however prove my first point was correct, that I don't know much about a 757, but I know at least 3 guys that do and they fly a warbird for fun.

[Michel Lemieux]

In reply to T33. The B757

it has what feels like fighter-like excess thrust

U bet, have a look

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-757_departure.wmv

or this....

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2007-1-26-Reykavik_B757_Short_Field_Takeoff.wmv

[Manonthefence]

That'll be the jet powered element of the RNZAF. Two Boeing 757s

[Ollie]

Wicked short take-off!!

[Chad Veich]

Wicked short take-off!!

Not a take-off Ollie, a steep climbing turn after a gear down low pass. Not quite as impressive but still impressive none-the-less.

[Dave Homewood]

Sorry chaps, as someone who was stood right there watching I can tell you that yes, this was indeed the take off.

Nick, no that is not the RNZAF's full compliment of jet powered aircraft. Our fleet of Iroquois have jet engines too.

[K5DH]

Amazing stills and videos! Fighter-like performance? Oh, heck yeah!

I've ridden as a passenger aboard several AA "seven-fives", and I've always been impressed with the amount of thrust available on takeoff. When the pilots mash the throttles, you get mashed back into your seat, and that airplane really scoots down the runway and then leaps into the sky! Climb performance is stunning, especially on lightly-loaded flights. Good stuff!

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Cheers!