Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:36 am
I saw the video of this and just about SHAT my pants when I say him, SITTING THERE! Rubbing his nose!
Very Very Lucky, I bet he counts every moment in his life from now on!
Very Very Lucky, I bet he counts every moment in his life from now on!
Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:11 am
Does the yellow police tape in the background mean that the police are now so petrified of frivilous lawsuits, that they cordon off a crash scene and wait for EMS to remove the victims from the debris???
Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:05 am
Oh my goodness....
That pictures is ridiculous. I would also agree that his lucky. He must be part feline. GEEZ......
Cheers,
David
That pictures is ridiculous. I would also agree that his lucky. He must be part feline. GEEZ......
Cheers,
David
Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:37 am
6trn4brn wrote:Does the yellow police tape in the background mean that the police are now so petrified of frivilous lawsuits, that they cordon off a crash scene and wait for EMS to remove the victims from the debris???
From what I heard, is that he was slumped over presumed dead when they arrived. Still it is pretty crappy that noone went to his aid quicker, not knowing if he was alive, or if they were too afraid to get close due to fuel or what.
If I was there, I would have jumped right in the middle of all that to see if he was ok or not.
Fire Grounds
Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:49 pm
Since all the experts have chimed in about rescue, some points from a trained firefighter/paramedic with over 10 years of experience:
Firefighters and Paramedics will bust their a$$ trying to save you. If they are not there in this photo, which is stunning to me, then the aircraft was probably attached to POWER LINES. I had to wait 45 minutes one time for a power line crew to shut power down while a person had an active seizure.
If you do jump in to assist this guy, what would you do? He is sitting in a seat, with a back that he can rest his spine against. I don't see any fire anywhere, so there is no reason to move him until you have the expertise/enough hands/equipment to move him from his position of injury to a place where his wounds can be treated properly.
Scene safety and control is very important to protect the injured, bystanders, and rescue personnel. It is in fact, one of the first things taught when you are learning rescue techniques. If you don't know how to do it, there is substantial risk to yourself and the person you are trying to rescue. So stay away and wait for somebody who knows what they are doing to get there. If you are uncomfortable with this, take a 110 hour EMT-B course, a Firefighter I course, and go volunteer with your local volunteer fire department (VFD) and get some experience on how to deal with emergencies.
I'm not saying that nobody should get involved. But I don't think it's wise to post here advocating getting involved with a rescue of this nature without some form of training or experience. All states have some form of Good Samaritan law which covers you legally for helping in time of an emergency/rescue situation. But good intentions will get an injured person further injured withour proper training.
BTW, most of this training is free at your local VFD.
Firefighters and Paramedics will bust their a$$ trying to save you. If they are not there in this photo, which is stunning to me, then the aircraft was probably attached to POWER LINES. I had to wait 45 minutes one time for a power line crew to shut power down while a person had an active seizure.
If you do jump in to assist this guy, what would you do? He is sitting in a seat, with a back that he can rest his spine against. I don't see any fire anywhere, so there is no reason to move him until you have the expertise/enough hands/equipment to move him from his position of injury to a place where his wounds can be treated properly.
Scene safety and control is very important to protect the injured, bystanders, and rescue personnel. It is in fact, one of the first things taught when you are learning rescue techniques. If you don't know how to do it, there is substantial risk to yourself and the person you are trying to rescue. So stay away and wait for somebody who knows what they are doing to get there. If you are uncomfortable with this, take a 110 hour EMT-B course, a Firefighter I course, and go volunteer with your local volunteer fire department (VFD) and get some experience on how to deal with emergencies.
I'm not saying that nobody should get involved. But I don't think it's wise to post here advocating getting involved with a rescue of this nature without some form of training or experience. All states have some form of Good Samaritan law which covers you legally for helping in time of an emergency/rescue situation. But good intentions will get an injured person further injured withour proper training.
BTW, most of this training is free at your local VFD.
Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:00 pm
Good Samaratin laws are about as good as those waivers you have everyone sign before they ride in your plane.
I know I will think twice before I assist someone, as some physicians have been sued for helping out.
I know I will think twice before I assist someone, as some physicians have been sued for helping out.
Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:46 pm
I don't about you folks, but you can't tell if that's police tape or not. It's in the background and out of focus. Maybe tape had been strung up by a construction crew for something else? You can buy that yellow tape at Home Depot. It just doesn't say police.
Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:02 pm
Pilot Robert Robertson sits in the remains of his plane, waiting for emergency services.
Wow! Very lucky!
Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:11 pm
I am not knocking anyone in the VFD or any other emergency services.
I was stating that I would have jumped up there to see if he was ok, from the article, they assumed he was dead.
You act like I was starting a pissing contest on how they should have responded etc. etc.
I was stating that I would have jumped up there to see if he was ok, from the article, they assumed he was dead.
Charles Jules, a witness, said: "I was scared half to death. It was the scariest thing I ever saw. I mean it's a plane coming at you … Everyone thought he was dead. He was slumped over not moving. Then he slowly woke up, touched his head. He was disoriented."
You act like I was starting a pissing contest on how they should have responded etc. etc.
Sun Sep 23, 2007 7:33 pm
Paul,
I am with you on this. I'll take my chances and have in the past with a tanker truck roll over...('nother story) but react to the situation with common sense and the concern for the victim. The rest lies in the hands of the "Master Plan". I'll admit, I have had a lot of emergency rescue and first aid training so I may not be the typical respondant.
I will, however, always cross that fine line between "bravery and stupidity" if someone is at risk. Sorry, just my nature.
This is one lucky Dude!
I am with you on this. I'll take my chances and have in the past with a tanker truck roll over...('nother story) but react to the situation with common sense and the concern for the victim. The rest lies in the hands of the "Master Plan". I'll admit, I have had a lot of emergency rescue and first aid training so I may not be the typical respondant.
I will, however, always cross that fine line between "bravery and stupidity" if someone is at risk. Sorry, just my nature.
This is one lucky Dude!
Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:41 pm
In CAP, all the ground teams are drilled that if we respond to a crash scene and there are survivors, we are only allowed to act to save lives. On top of that, members can only do basic First Aid or CPR unless they're qualified EMT's. Naturally, we have to record any wreckage we've moved for the NTSB.
In this case? Couldn't tell you, I wasn't there. Maybe the people standing around were as shocked as he was
Definitely one lucky guy though...usually the state of the cockpit is directly proportional to the state of the crew!
In this case? Couldn't tell you, I wasn't there. Maybe the people standing around were as shocked as he was
Definitely one lucky guy though...usually the state of the cockpit is directly proportional to the state of the crew!
Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:28 am
That brings back scary memories of CVG. Only difference, this time there was only one guy aboard. Thank God he's going to be okay.
Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:32 pm
God is DEFINATELY this guy's co-pilot. WOW! You can't even tell it's a Beech 18.