P-35 help

[Indian head]

Hi all, from a non-member friend of mine comes the following; can anyone here provide the definitive answer on these aircraft?

There seems to be some confusion around the Seversky P-35 in the
> National Museum of the USAF collection at Wright Patterson. You'd think
> with
> just 4 P-35 variants surviving, there should be no problem. However...
>
> The four survivors are:-
>
> http://www.informationdelight.info/ency ... ersky_P-35
> "Two J 9 are preserved in museums today, one in the '' Swedish Air Force
> Museum '', and one in Kermit Weeks '' Fantasy Of Flight '' in Florida. The
> latter presently undergoing restoration to flying condition. Also a P-35
> is
> on display at The '' National Museum Of The United States Air Force ''.
> Furthermore an AT-12, one of those who didn't make it to Sweden, is also
> beeing restored back to flying condition at '' Planes Of Fame '' at Chino
> Airport in Los Angeles."
>
> The NMUSAF (who seem to be unaware of the other three survivors) state on
> their web site:-
> http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsh ... 469&page=2
> "The aircraft on display, the only known surviving P-35, served with the
> 94th Pursuit Squadron, 1st Pursuit Group. The aircraft was restored by the
> 133rd Tactical Airlift Wing, Minnesota Air National Guard, with assistance
> from students of the Minneapolis Vocational Institute. It is marked as the
> P-35A flown by the 17th Pursuit Squadron commander, 1Lt. Buzz Wagner, in
> the
> Philippines in the spring of 1941. "
>
> Now, if the NMUSAF example served with 94th Pursuit Sqn, it cannot be an
> ex
> Swedish example. However, on 7.7.72 Tennessee ANG C-124C 21055 transited
> through Mildenhall carrying P-35 '26' from Save AB (Sweden) to the USAFM
> (as
> it was then) at Wright Patterson.
>
> Various sources give the museum P-35 as USAAC 36-0404, "marked as the
> P-35A
> flown by the 17th Pursuit Squadron commander, 1 Lt. "Buzz" Wagner, in the
> Philippines, early 1941." The aircraft now on display at Wright Patt
> carries "2170" on the rear fuse and the
> code "4MP17". The data block shows "Nichols Field" and "US Army P-35A
> 41-17449".
>
> Further confusion arises from photos of the Wright Patt example variously
> coded "PA95", "PA70" and "17-4MP".
>
> Now, back in 1999 the Fantasy of Flight museum at Tamiami, Florida, had
> P-35
> 41-17449 coded "17-4MP". It was still there and in these markings whilst
> under restoration in 2002.
>
> Trawling around the web, there is a cryptic post at:-
> http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/305902-post41.html
> .... which states "AF Museum a/c came from Kermit Weeks along with a
> Grumman
> Duck in Trade for the Seversky (export version of the P-35, Swedish,
> restored as a P-35) that Kermit has now."
>
> So, I'm confused.......
>
> Which P-35 did the USAFM museum receive from Sweden - and where is it now?
> What is the identity of the P-35 currently displayed at Dayton with
> "41-17449" on the data block?
> Is there still a P-35 "41-17449" at Tamiami?
> What happened to 36-0404?
>


Thanks in advance!

[bdk]

The Planes of Fame AT-12 is airworthy and of course Chino Airport is in Chino, not Los Angeles.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... 6&start=15

There appear to have been two Severskys at the USAFM. The Swedish one was traded to Kermit Weeks.

Doyle’s favorite war bird was the
Severksy P-35. Doyle saved the
only known Severksy P-35 from
destruction in 1952. It is serial number
36-404. It was used as a classroom
training aid at a vocational
school in Minneapolis. The military
wanted to update the school’s training
aircraft, and Doyle bought it,
instead of letting it be scrapped. It
was originally from Selfridge Air
Base near Detroit, Michigan. The
trade school was run by Paul
Payne, a famous World War I pilot.
After a complete ground up restoration
in the early 1970s, a huge ceremony
was held at Minneapolis for
the rollout of the P-35. Many dignitaries
were there, including Alexander
P. de Seversky himself, in one
of his last public appearances. This
event was widely covered in all of
the aviation magazines and aviation
media that year.

http://www.aerohistorians.org/newslette ... st2004.pdf

P-35 (36-0404) marked as P-35A at the National Museum of the USAF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seversky_P-35

[SE-Fred]

The one in the USAF museum at Dayton is a P-35.


The other two preserved are J 9s, or P-35As:

SwAF #2126 at Fantasy of Flight, Polk City, FL. That one was before on display at Dayton.

SwAF #2134 at the Swedish AF museum at Malmen AB, Sweden.

[Jerry O'Neill]

I thought that the Swedish example and Week's aircraft were known as EP-1's?

Regardless, there is only one "real" P-35.
Jerry

[SE-Fred]

I thought that the Swedish example and Week's aircraft were known as EP-1's?

Regardless, there is only one "real" P-35.
Jerry

...and two "real" J 9



EP-1 was the designation given by the mfct (EP: Export Pursuit) for the Swedish version, called J 9 by the Swedish AF...and P-35A by the USAAC.

Seversky secured an export order for the P-35, under the designation EP-1. This was a distinct improvement on the P-35, powered by a 1,050 hp Twin Wasp and armed with four machine guns, two .50s in the nose and two .30s in the wing roots. Sweden placed an order for 120 EP-1s, but after sixty were delivered President Roosevelt imposed an arms embargo on Scandinavia (10 June 1940). The remaining sixty entered US service as the P-35A.

[Swiss Mustangs]

Martin

[Nathan]

The AT-12 Guardian is totally different from the P-35.


The P-35 at the USAFM is a straight P-35 model. The P-35A had a longer fuselage then the straight P-35 and the P-35A also had the addition of one .50 cal machine gun in each wing.

I wish more P-35's survived. I've always liked the P-35. Kind of a cute plane and a classic pre war USAAC fighter.

HTH,
Nathan

[gary1954]

And what zackley is that aircraft sitting behind #53?

[Silverplate]

The Seversky listed at Tamiami is the same one that Kermit owns and is now at Fanntasy of Flight under restoration just to clarify.

[bdk]

And what zackley is that aircraft sitting behind #53?

A P-51 Mustang?

Or do you mean the Saab 21?

http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Attack/172A21A.htm
http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Attack/173A21R.htm

[gary1954]

well it don't look like a P-51, dis-in's got a push prop on it

[daniel-k]

I'd like to share two photos of Mr. Weeks P-35 (or whatever we decide to call it ) while it was still a J 9 in Sweden, being part of an improvised museum at the F 9 Air Force Base in Göteborg.





The J 9 is seen down in the huge nuclear-proof underground hangar, together with a J 22 and the odd pusher again, the J 21. After the base closed in the late 1960ies the historic aircraft moved elsewhere. The J 9 was shipped to the states in 1972 I believe?

More than three decades later, the underground hangar is once again an aviation museum – the Aeroseum. http://www.aeroseum.se

Photo credit Styrbjörn Ericsson, the F 9 photographer, still alive – I actually met him down in "the rock" just before Christmas. Thanks to Pelle Lindquist.