Oklahoma ANG P-51 Question
Fri May 23, 2008 4:08 pm
Can anyone make sense of these serial #'s? I am by no means a Mustang expert, and taking a quick look at Baugher's list didn't seem to help. Does anyone have any thoughts? While we're at it, does anyone have a list of what P-51s served in the OK ANG? I've never seen such a list.
kevin
kevin
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Fri May 23, 2008 5:20 pm
I shouldn't tell you this but I have a very good friends who flew P-51s in the OK ANG and has a LOT of photos!!!
BTW did you call JCW??
BTW did you call JCW??
Fri May 23, 2008 5:50 pm
These may be from the brief period that some ANG a/c used a shortened tail number; in other words "43174" could mean either 44-63174 or 44-73174. The other one would be 44-63498/9 or 44-73498/9. Baugher's list doesn't mention the fates of these Mustangs - would SwissMustangs like to add some info?
Re: ????
Fri May 23, 2008 5:59 pm
Jack Cook wrote:I shouldn't tell you this but I have a very good friends who flew P-51s in the OK ANG and has a LOT of photos!!!
BTW did you call JCW??
Does he have more Indian Headress insignia shots that show the whole a/c? That's make a neat model. The OK NG book I have has one shot of such a plane and indicates that they were eventually told to take the insignia off - as it violated regs. Too bad. It'd be kind of fun for each state to come up with their own insignia in peacetime operations stateside.
Ryan
Sat May 24, 2008 11:35 pm
Jack-
Would LOVE to see those shots from your friend! I've got some folks here who should have some similar shots; this was just what I had on hand at the moment. I've got some shots of T-33s, C-124s, C-97s, A-7s and F-16s from the OKANG. But not many. And I did talk to JCW. We're working on his project, hopefully getting closer.
The suggestions on the s/n are interesting. I had looked on the web for other period ANG shots from other states, and they seemed to have entire s/n on them. I wonder if the OKANG was different for some reason?
kevin
Would LOVE to see those shots from your friend! I've got some folks here who should have some similar shots; this was just what I had on hand at the moment. I've got some shots of T-33s, C-124s, C-97s, A-7s and F-16s from the OKANG. But not many. And I did talk to JCW. We're working on his project, hopefully getting closer.
The suggestions on the s/n are interesting. I had looked on the web for other period ANG shots from other states, and they seemed to have entire s/n on them. I wonder if the OKANG was different for some reason?
kevin
Sun May 25, 2008 8:00 am
If that's right it must be the 47 serial # as it has the later version access panel (vertical rectangle) -- but I thought the 44-73xxxx still had the standard size access panel? Swiss mustangs can u help????
Sun May 25, 2008 8:32 pm
Jack, I'm another who would love to see some of those pics. I have gotten to know the former Commander, General Newman and know that he would love to see them also. There doesn't seem to be much documentation from this period. Any posts would be appreciated....
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Sun May 25, 2008 8:40 pm
I'll give Gen Austin a call next week. He's very busy amound Memorial Day.
Sun May 25, 2008 10:30 pm
For an interesting story on Gen. Stanley F. H. Newman, go to http://blog.newsok.com/worldwartwo/category/concentration-camps/ and scroll down to the story “I was just doing what I had always dreamed of doing”....
Sun May 25, 2008 10:48 pm
Also an article by Gen. Newman....
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_199702/ai_n8744509
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_199702/ai_n8744509
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Sun May 25, 2008 10:50 pm
BTW one of Gen Austin's best friends and flying buddies in the OK ANG was Jim Hill the sqd CO and later 4 star CO of NORAD 
Mon May 26, 2008 1:20 am
nearest a/c is 44-73174 [44-63174 was lost with the 78th FG 84th FS coded WZ-T - a/c lost with 1/Lt. Willis H. Lutz - RTD; pilot b/o & a/c crashed near Hauset (B); shot down by friendly fire - American AAA]
the other a/c is 44-73499 [44-63499 was sent to the 15th AAF MTO and was salvaged in Italy 7th September 1945]
HTH
Martin
the other a/c is 44-73499 [44-63499 was sent to the 15th AAF MTO and was salvaged in Italy 7th September 1945]
HTH
Martin
Mon May 26, 2008 3:07 am
the 185th FS 118th FG OK ANG used this pattern of serial numbers for some time - usually the full serial was painted on USAF and USANG F-51's, i.e. the last digit of the FY plus serial
here's another example of an OK ANG F-51 - serial 44-73263
(Swiss Mustangs collection)
Martin
here's another example of an OK ANG F-51 - serial 44-73263
(Swiss Mustangs collection)
Martin
Re: Oklahoma ANG P-51 Question
Mon May 26, 2008 3:16 am
tulsaboy wrote: does anyone have a list of what P-51s served in the OK ANG? I've never seen such a list.
Kevin
I can make a listing from my database to give you a start....
the OK ANG later (post-Korean War) reverted to the 'usual' presentation of the serial - see below
serials:
45-11368, 45-11639, 44-74989, 44-74838
martin
Re: Oklahoma ANG P-51 Question
Mon May 26, 2008 3:22 am
Swiss Mustangs wrote:tulsaboy wrote: does anyone have a list of what P-51s served in the OK ANG? I've never seen such a list.
Kevin
I can make a listing from my database to give you a start....
far from being exhaustive....
44-73174
44-73263
44-73499
44-73822
44-74838
44-74989
44-84973
45-11368
45-11431
45-11639
(Swiss Mustangs collection)
Martin