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pb4y's for sale

Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:59 pm

Have a look at Courtesies website, looks like H&P is getting rid of some of their fleet. They have listed (3)C-97's,(2)C-118,(1)L-18,(2)PB4Y,(2)C-119, (2) P2V, and some helicopter.

Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:31 pm

Regretfully all of the PB4Ys are temporarily grounded, but I suppose a rebuilder could convert 1 to a B-24..

Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:39 pm

I thought that the US Forest Service simply refused to hire them anymore. I am not aware of anything from the FAA that would prevent the PB4Ys from flying.

Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:47 pm

Maybe I'm wrong. It might be a good idea to check out the latest and greatest on the FAA stuff.

Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:52 pm

It would be nice to see a Privateer fly as a Privateer, I always liked the USN paint schemes.

Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:17 pm

Scott WRG Editor wrote:It would be nice to see a Privateer fly as a Privateer, I always liked the USN paint schemes.


That would be excellent. While it's not in this lot, I believe Hawkins & Powers has a fairly stock PB4Y in storage.

As for flying PB4Ys, the only action I'm aware of the FAA can take is through AD's. The only AD out for the entire Liberator/Privateer series is 2003-08-13, which requires a repetative inspection(the interval of which is left out of the AD) of front spar, front spar web, and lower skin.

Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:12 pm

Can someone point me to the 'Courtesies' website. The is a certain B-24 mob out here that may be very interested in the fate of those Privateers.

Thanks

Walrus

Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:16 pm

Walrus 7 wrote:Can someone point me to the 'Courtesies' website.
http://www.courtesyaircraft.com/

Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:19 pm

So on the topic, how is the Long Star one coming. I've been waiting sense 97 to see one in the air. Anyone have some info? I have sent a couple e-mails over the years but no really good news yet, just in work which is better then doing nothing). I can't wait to see one in the air!

Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:46 pm

I've still got space in the back 40, Rob, for however many airframes as we can stuff in, at least until winter really gets here(?). Although, I suppose we can just retract the gear and haul them in with dogs! :shock: 8)

And was the KC-97 ever a Dow or Loring bird?

Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:38 pm

The H&P place has always been a nice out of the way stop in Greybull on the way to Jackson!

One of the owners has a nicely restored A-20 if I remember right - we have tried and tried to get them to bring it to our annual airshow but have never gotten a response other than, "I'll ask Mr so-and-so if he is interested in coming" then nothing.

Hill AFB has a really pretty Kaman restored to SAR/firefighting trim.

Rob, that would be a sight to see all three flying along!

all thats needed is a ERCO nose turret, emerson tail turret(?), fabricated waist blisters, and paint!! Oh, and .8M. dang. :(

Tom P

Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:10 pm

wendovertom wrote:One of the owners has a nicely restored A-20 if I remember right - we have tried and tried to get them to bring it to our annual airshow but have never gotten a response other than, "I'll ask Mr so-and-so if he is interested in coming" then nothing.
There is an A-26 in Greybull:
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/nnumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=126HP
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/a26registry/a26-4434520.html

Don't see an A-20 though.

Thu Jan 06, 2005 5:54 pm

BDK - nope, your right, the A-26 is the beast I was thinking of. I wish they'd get interested in going to air shows. I mean really, Wendover is practially in thier backyard :lol:

Tom P.

Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:12 pm

wendovertom wrote:I wish they'd get interested in going to air shows


Heh, here is one of the few decent shots I managed to get of it the last time they brought it up to St. Paul. It has a USAAF paint scheme on the left side, and a civilian scheme on the right side.

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