P-38 parts from Canada?

[bdk]

http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php ... user=27060

P-38 LIGHTNING LANDING GEAR • ACCEPTING OFFERS • one side only as removed from crash sight I found could get other parts call for photos • Contact Dave Younger located Surrey, BC CANADA

Any idea about a P-38 crash in Canada?

[F3A-1]

I saw the advertisement this morning. I suspect that party has had an "official" in touch with them by now and may regret the language of the ad. Lucky for them it was not U.S. NAVAL type!

Pirate Lex
http://www.BrewsterCorsair.com

[daveymac82c]

Interesting.

Isn't that the same guy that apparently pulled the part out of a lake up in Northern BC and was certain the rest of the airplane was there. But, once the local authorities got wind of his intentions of recovering the airframe, they barred him from doing so, and the city/township claimed ownership over it. I swear someone posted something about a story like that on here within the last year.

The story sort of ended with information leading to no decent proof of a P-38 ever crashing into the lake, or anywhere near it for that matter. It did though, bring up the topic of of a P-38 near Williams Lake (was it there?) where a gentleman took a young boy up for a ride and ended up doing some fairly agressive flying sadly leading up to a crash that killed both onboard.

Maybe this guy has the thing he's selling mistaken for a landing gear strut from a PA-28 (Piper Cherokee) not a P-38.

I wouldn't mind getting ahold of this guy and seeing what he's got to say about it all.

Cheers,

David

[The Inspector]

WOW!! WHAT A CONCEPT! I'd pay a Dollar to watch the Navy attempt to prevent a Canadian citizen working to recover a crashed Navy aircraft found inside Canada, could I apply for the popcorn concession to that one?????? 'Soo, have a great day EH'

[Richard Woods]

The USAF won't be too worried as they don't retain title of anything that crashed before 1962, I believe.

It would be fun to watch the US Navy try and claim it, though I think if it has been recovered illegally it would be the civil authorities pursuing this.

Ric

[Versatile]

How does the Sunken Militray Aircraft Act http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org12-12a.htm
affect aircraft in Canada?

[Versatile]

I have had several conversations with the editor of the newspaper that published the article about the supposed Williams Lake P-38. He says he will contact me when he knows more. I haven't heard from him lately. Will inform all when i do hear from him.
Davey; Does this BC lake you mention have a name?

Interesting.

Isn't that the same guy that apparently pulled the part out of a lake up in Northern BC and was certain the rest of the airplane was there. But, once the local authorities got wind of his intentions of recovering the airframe, they barred him from doing so, and the city/township claimed ownership over it. I swear someone posted something about a story like that on here within the last year.

The story sort of ended with information leading to no decent proof of a P-38 ever crashing into the lake, or anywhere near it for that matter. It did though, bring up the topic of of a P-38 near Williams Lake (was it there?) where a gentleman took a young boy up for a ride and ended up doing some fairly agressive flying sadly leading up to a crash that killed both onboard.

Maybe this guy has the thing he's selling mistaken for a landing gear strut from a PA-28 (Piper Cherokee) not a P-38.

I wouldn't mind getting ahold of this guy and seeing what he's got to say about it all.

Cheers,

David

[jet1]

I have had several conversations with the editor of the newspaper that published the article about the supposed Williams Lake P-38. He says he will contact me when he knows more. I haven't heard from him lately. Will inform all when i do hear from him.
Davey; Does this BC lake you mention have a name?

Interesting.

Isn't that the same guy that apparently pulled the part out of a lake up in Northern BC and was certain the rest of the airplane was there. But, once the local authorities got wind of his intentions of recovering the airframe, they barred him from doing so, and the city/township claimed ownership over it. I swear someone posted something about a story like that on here within the last year.

The story sort of ended with information leading to no decent proof of a P-38 ever crashing into the lake, or anywhere near it for that matter. It did though, bring up the topic of of a P-38 near Williams Lake (was it there?) where a gentleman took a young boy up for a ride and ended up doing some fairly agressive flying sadly leading up to a crash that killed both onboard.

Maybe this guy has the thing he's selling mistaken for a landing gear strut from a PA-28 (Piper Cherokee) not a P-38.

I wouldn't mind getting ahold of this guy and seeing what he's got to say about it all.

Cheers,

David

I doubt that there is much of anything left from that.

[daveymac82c]

ok, so I've learned a bit more. Versatile is talking about the same thing I had heard and I too tried contacting people in Williams lake about a P-38 probably a year ago. They didn't know anything.

As for this P-38 gear leg, I learned that it did not come from a water crash. It was from a wreck the guy found on a steep slope a number of years ago. The aircraft was completely destroyed. The cherry on top is that a bad landslide also buried it.

Then again, how many landslides are good?

Cheers,

David

[bdk]

It was from a wreck the guy found on a steep slope a number of years ago. The aircraft was completely destroyed.

Was this crash in the US or Canada?

[daveymac82c]

Hey BDK,

the crash occurred in Western Canada. I didn't think there were that many P-38's flying through that part of the country. I'm aware (through some of Jacks pictures) that P-38's were up in Alaska a bit, but not in large numbers I think. In any case I'm pretty sure they were not involved the lend-lease program.

So, does anyone know what kind of fines and/or punishment there would be for removing a part of a WWII crash site like this? I have yet to warn him of what possible issues he may face. I can only imagine that permission would need to be granted from the owner of the property (usually the provincial government or the feds).

-David M

[Bill Walker]

David;

Just doing some reading on the US ferrying of aircraft through Canada to Alaska, and was amazed to see that they delivered 3,000+ a year in 1943 and 1944. Most went on to Russia, but 400+ a year were for the USAAF in Alaska - everything from P-38s and P-40s to B-17s and B-24s. Also, the small numbers delivered in 1942 suffered severe losses en route, some units up to 30 %. There must be bits and pieces of American aluminum scattered from Calgary to Whitehorse and everywhere in between.

[daveymac82c]

Hey Bill,

Yeah, I've done a fair amount of research into the ferrying of airplanes to Alaska, but mostly the lend-lease ones. A great resource is the "Warplanes to Alaska" by Blake Smith. I'd love to learn more about non-lend-lease planes. I also agree with you, there are probably countless wrecks along that flight route.

There are still a lot of treasures out there.

Cheers,

David

[Hal B]

Also, the small numbers delivered in 1942 suffered severe losses en route, some units up to 30 %. There must be bits and pieces of American aluminum scattered from Calgary to Whitehorse and everywhere in between.

All up and down the Pacific coast, actually. There's a P-38 up in the hills near here that went down while being ferried from Alaska to Paine Field for modifications. The wreck's been found but no trace of the pilot.

[paulmcmillan]

http://pg.ipms.tripod.com/p38/index.html

CF-HSC

P-38L-5-LO converted to F-5G-6-LO C/N 422-8300 AAF S/N 44-53045

Warbirds Information Exchange posting on this crash 2007

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.o ... 7dad788e00