US Pilot Certificate Question

[V1VRV2]

I've recently received "new" replacement plastic licenses from the feds and noticed the FAA seal in the upper right corner. Ones blue and the others black. I seem to recall that there is significance to the color, but can't find the source now. Any clues?

Rob G.

[HarvardIV]

Hi Rob:

When it's colored, that means they saw you flying over restricted areas, and flying too low over noise abatement areas. Just Kidding..

Chris

[srpatterson]

Well...mine, issued last August has an all blue FAA logo in the upper right.

Isn't the internet wonderful? Where else can we discuss the really important stuff!

[Flashonyrsix]

I'm not sure what it means now but back in the stone age (60's) a blue seal meant you had enough insterment training to only fly vfr.

[srpatterson]

I'm not sure what it means now but back in the stone age (60's) a blue seal meant you had enough insterment training to only fly vfr.

Not quite sure what that would mean, vfr only with some instrument training. Sounds like a VFR ticket to me. I was training in the 70's, and we all got an introduction to IFR flying, but your first ticket was VFR and you had to build PIC and cross country time before you could get the IFR rating. If I remember correctly it was 120 TT with 50 PIC x-country, or something like that.

[dj51d]

While we are talking tickets the Sports Pilot Ticket i know its wight but is their Horsepower limits also.

No horsepower limits I can find.
Here are the basic limitations for Light Sport Aircraft.

MTOW: 1320lb
Max Stall Speed: 45kias
Max Level Speed: 120kias
2 seats
Single Engine
Fixed Gear and Fixed pitch prop.

[srpatterson]

Now does what ever replaced the LOAs come as an endorsment on your tickey or do you still get a piece of paper saying what your allowed to fly.

On the back of the new plastic license is listed Sec. XII Ratings (airplane single and multiengine land sea; instrument airplane etc. and then Sec. XIII Limitations-Authorized Experimental Aircraft N-T28, AV-L39, H-FB-11 etc. LOAs are dead (or dying a quick death)

[Flashonyrsix]

It meant that you had enough instrument traing to safley do an 180 if you were dumb enough to get in a situation you should have avoided.

[jcw]

hi steve
ok all this is a long and involved discussion so i'll try and do the readers digest version... to start look at the FARs and see what acft and types and requirements are for a "Type rating"... i think you will find that it does not include "experimental acft" so after the ice cream parler f86 crash enter the LOA for high perf piston (both single and multi) and jets...the LOA was basicly a type rating program for the experimentals/experimental exhibition acft. no your great FAA has decided that they want to tighten up this program and make it even more controled and regulated just like the type ratings (it also gets rid of the "unlimited high perf piston powered single and multi LOA") The FAA really hated this .. so now we have this new program with all the trappings of a type rating with some bugs..(a lot of the acft are single seat fighters) so how do you get around this?? ergo the 10 hours of dual training in a T-6 for every acft you want to add according to the FAA here. (with the FAA you always have the disclamer of "At the discresion of the administator") Ok so now you have an expeimental/experimental exibition acft added on to your pilot certificate so what can you do with it??? answer ..nothing more than you could before with an experimental or experimental exhibition acft go see the fars again (i think you'll find no allowance for compensation or hire)... now enter the folks trying to train new guys in the high perf experimentals like the Lancair and Glassair.. need to get all kinds of time before the insurance companies will insure.. need to have insurance for the banks to loan money... so there was a movement to get this added as an exeption to the FAA experimental reg so you could leagally hire to do "training" in the high perf types.. i have not been following this for a year or so and am not sure if this is now in the regs as a provision... so what can you do with your experimental exh sea fury or yak??? not much but fly it, go read the regs and you wont like what you see..thats why the "limited" air worthiness cirtificat is valuable.. oh did i say that getting a limited cirtificate is almost impossible since the f86 crash????? its still on the books but they wont give it out.... enter "at the discression of the administrator" line again..

this is the very short version

good luck and fly safe