Another Hurricane close to flight in the UK

[FlyingMachinesTV]

I was fortunate enough to be invited up to North Weald today to film the first taxy run of Peter Teichman's glorious Hurricane restoration in the capable hands of Stu Goldspink. You can see my hastily edited video here

http://www.flyingmachinestv.co.uk/page0/page0.html

[V1VRV2]

Magnificent machine. Is the prop spinner appear to be the proper shape for the Hurricane? It appears different to what I'm used to.
Rob G

[richkolasa]

GORgeous!!!!

You can never have enough Spits and Hurrrricanes.

Rich

[Steve T]

Rob--

That looks like a Mk.XII (ie. Canadian IIB) spinner...more conical than either of the two shapes usually seen on Mks I/II/IV. Mr Teichman's Huri has the twelve-gun wing, so I'm guessing she is indeed a CC&F Mk.XII.

What an absolutely beautiful piece of work...

S.

(Hey! An even 800 posts...)

[Bradburger]

Magnificent machine. Is the prop spinner appear to be the proper shape for the Hurricane? It appears different to what I'm used to.
Rob G

Indeed, a magnificent restoration!

Rob,

The prop/spinner is the simpler (and cheaper option for Hurricane owners today!) Hamilton Standard prop & blades that were fitted to most of the Canadian Hurricanes.

There appears to have been two types of spinner for the HS prop.

I'm not sure which one appeared first, but I think it took a while to develop one for the HS prop, as most of the pictures I've seen of Canadian Hurricanes show them without spinners.

Take a look at pictures of the Lone Star example, or the much missed Tom Blair MKXII, and you'll see it has the other type of spinner. Also keep your eyes peeled on the Hurricane in the Battle Of Britain film, as you'll be able to tell the Canadian machine by it's prop/spinner.

I'm sure someone else can add more details, but I hope this helps for now.

Cheers

Paul

[daveymac82c]

That is a beautiful airplane!!!

I've never seen a Hurricane with the gun arrangement as that one had. Interesting.

Thanks for posting.

Cheers,

David

[Bradburger]

Apparently she made her first flight today!

http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=7445

Congrats to all at H11, HR, and all else involved in the restoration.

Cheers

Paul

[Yak 11 Fan]

...and very nice it looked too.

[k5083]

There appears to have been two types of spinner for the HS prop.

I'm not sure which one appeared first, but I think it took a while to develop one for the HS prop, as most of the pictures I've seen of Canadian Hurricanes show them without spinners.

Take a look at pictures of the Lone Star example, or the much missed Tom Blair MKXII, and you'll see it has the other type of spinner.

It is not clear that the more bloated type as seen on the Lone Star and Blair machines ever appeared during the war at all. It is suspected of being an invention of latter-day restorers. The conical style does appear in wartime photos of Canadian Hurricanes, although naked was by far the more common configuration.

August

[Mark V]

Rob--

That looks like a Mk.XII (ie. Canadian IIB) spinner...more conical than either of the two shapes usually seen on Mks I/II/IV. Mr Teichman's Huri has the twelve-gun wing, so I'm guessing she is indeed a CC&F Mk.XII.

She was indeed built by CC&F, however as an early aircraft she was officially a IIB when built. The XII designation was applied to later Canadian production but today is often used to refer to any Canadian built Hurricane II. The twelve gun wing was typical of Canadian production but was also seen on UK built examples. It was chosen for the fighter bomber derivative as the installation of the bomb pylons masked the spent case ejector port for one of the main group of four guns in each wing and an armament of six guns was considered inadequate. The solution, the twelve-gun wing, in this guise usefully allowed an actual complement of ten guns.

Last edited by Mark V on Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

[norman malayney]

Gentlemen,

Does anyone know the original RCAF serial of this aircraft? I received an e-mail saying it was RCAF 5403?

Well, if this aircraft is identified as 5403, then it is a bogus identity.

Norman Malayney

[Mike]

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?c ... gmark=HHII

[Lightning]

Howdy All

Interested to know the story behind the nose art PEGS/ Kangaroo character and Squadron markings ?
Who was the WW2 Pilot ?

Lightning

Get Em Flying !

[norman malayney]

Dear Mike,

Thank you for the reference in the UK. Who ever owns the aircraft, gave it an incorrect RCAF serial number identity.

The construction number for RCAF 5403 is 42038 which differs dramatically from that listed on official CAA papers. I'll get back to you with information of why RCAF 5403 is a bogus identity for the construction number listed.

Norman Malayney

[norman malayney]

Dear Mike,

Here are some of the RCAF serial number correlations with the C/N or construction number;

Hawker Hurricane XII
5376 42011
5377 42012 ex-Canadian Warplane Heritage, original identity
5378 42013
5379 42014
5380 42015 Bogus identity claimed in Canada
5381 42016
5382 42017
5383 42018
5384 42019
5385 42020
5386 42021
5387 42022
5388 42023
5389 42024 Calgary Aero Space Museum, original identity
5390 42025 At USAF museum with bogus identity
5391 42026
5392 42027 D. Maude, BC, Canada, original identity
5393 42028
5394 42029
5395 42030
5396 42031
5397 42032
5398 42033
5399 42034
5400 42035 Kermit Week's Hurricane bogus idenity???
5401 42036
5402 42037
5403 42038 BE505 in UK, bogus RCAF identity

Notice that people are claiming RCAF identities in this small range, because they already know the serial vs c/n relationship for a few of the airframes. No doubt, more owners will now begin claiming bogus identities within this range.

If you have any further questions regarding bogus identities of Canadian-built Hawker Hurricanes in the UK, let me know. The majority of CCF Hurricane a/c in the UK have bogus RCAF identities.

Norman Malayney