TIGHAR to recover the Devastator...

[Warbirdnerd]

Not involved just passing the info along...

US team to recover WWII bomber from Pacific lagoon
By Giff Johnson – 2 hours ago

MAJURO (AFP) — A team of US salvagers is preparing to recover a rare World War II US naval torpedo bomber which has lain submerged in a Marshall Islands lagoon since 1942.

The bomber is one of two TDB Devastator planes ditched in Jaluit Atoll during an attack on Japanese forces in early 1942, said Van T. Hunn, a retired US Air Force officer heading The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR) team.

"There is not one of these planes above water or in a museum anywhere," said Hunn.

TIGHAR has flown in engineering and marine archaeology experts to assess options for safely recovering one of the two bombers.

The two Devastators in Jaluit's lagoon -- one at a depth of about 50 feet (15 metres), the other at 130 feet -- are an important part of American naval history, said Hill Goodspeed, chief historian at the National Museum of Naval Aviation.

"We thought none existed," he said. The Marshall Islands planes "are definitely a crown jewel of naval aviation history."

TIGHAR's aim is to leave the shallower plane in place as an attraction for scuba divers, while devising a way to safely remove the deeper plane so it can be preserved and put into a US Naval museum.

Preparing for the operation to remove the delicate wreck is expected to take the rest of the year with a recovery possibly being staged next year.

Both planes are relatively undisturbed and intact because they were deliberately ditched by their pilots, who did not have the fuel to return to the aircraft carrier Yorktown.

"Of 41 Devastators that fought in the battle of Midway, only four returned," said TIGHAR official Russ Matthews.

The TBD Devastator was the US Navy's first all-metal, monoplane torpedo bomber when introduced in 1937 and the Douglas aircraft company made a total of 129 of the planes.

But its slow speed, light defensive armament and lack of manoeuvrability made it easy prey for the Japanese Zero fighter and it was taken out of active service after the Battle of Midway in 1942.

Jaluit was the Japanese headquarters when it administered the Marshall Islands from World War I to the end of World War II, but was relegated to a remote backwater when the US took control of the islands in 1944.

With a population of about 1,500 people, it has many armaments, downed planes and concrete bunkers from World War II, but remains a remote outpost, about 150 miles (240 kilometres) from the capital, Majuro.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... um4FaDXZTA

[groundpounder]

well, i know everybody on here seems to like to bash the group that is going after this one , but hopefully this time they prove everyone wrong! on the other hand, if they are as questionable as some say, are they the best ones to be doing this recovery considering the extreme rarity of this aircraft? why hasnt anyone else stepped up to get this one ?? i seem to remember another crucial recovery going horribly wrong.

[mustangdriver]

With TBD's being so ultra-rare, it's a shame to leave the shallow airframe in place for scuba divers.

I say they should give the locals a replacement aircraft to scuddle and dive on, so that both TBD's could be raised. Heck, the NMNA has a whole backlot full of Lake Michigan aircraft (excess to their needs) that they can swap out for the second airframe.

Even better yet, they can restore both TBD's to perfect condition, keep one for themselves, and trade the NASM for the SB2C Helldiver, thus completing the WWII dive-bombers in the national collection.

Now you are talking

[A2C]

It'll be interesting to see how it holds up after they remove it from the sea. What do you bet it doesn't make it?

[Matt Gunsch]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

[David_Aiken]

Basics on aircraft crash depths...

When an aircraft is being recovered from deep depths, the final 150 feet is critical to the final results as that is about the deepest for surface oxygen to reach. On reaching the 150 foot depth, the spalling of the metal begins in earnest (almost like an acid) so much so that an immediate oil bath in needed to have at least SOMETHING to exhibit.

Wrecks within that 150 foot depth may LOOK fine, they already have been attacked by such...thus when recovered there are many more problems.

Cheers,
David Aiken

[mustangdriver]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

[Matt Gunsch]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

He could even do one to stick on a pole for Chris..............

[lmritger]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

He could even do one to stick on a pole for Chris..............

Alright, c'mon, that was out of bounds...

Besides, it's not an F-82.

Lynn

[lmritger]

Not involved just passing the info along...

US team to recover WWII bomber from Pacific lagoon
By Giff Johnson – 2 hours ago

MAJURO (AFP) — A team of US salvagers is preparing to recover a rare World War II US naval torpedo bomber which has lain submerged in a Marshall Islands lagoon since 1942.

The bomber is one of two TDB Devastator planes ditched in Jaluit Atoll during an attack on Japanese forces in early 1942, said Van T. Hunn, a retired US Air Force officer heading The International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery (TIGHAR) team.

"There is not one of these planes above water or in a museum anywhere," said Hunn.

TIGHAR has flown in engineering and marine archaeology experts to assess options for safely recovering one of the two bombers.

The two Devastators in Jaluit's lagoon -- one at a depth of about 50 feet (15 metres), the other at 130 feet -- are an important part of American naval history, said Hill Goodspeed, chief historian at the National Museum of Naval Aviation.

"We thought none existed," he said. The Marshall Islands planes "are definitely a crown jewel of naval aviation history."

TIGHAR's aim is to leave the shallower plane in place as an attraction for scuba divers, while devising a way to safely remove the deeper plane so it can be preserved and put into a US Naval museum.

Preparing for the operation to remove the delicate wreck is expected to take the rest of the year with a recovery possibly being staged next year.

Both planes are relatively undisturbed and intact because they were deliberately ditched by their pilots, who did not have the fuel to return to the aircraft carrier Yorktown.

"Of 41 Devastators that fought in the battle of Midway, only four returned," said TIGHAR official Russ Matthews.

The TBD Devastator was the US Navy's first all-metal, monoplane torpedo bomber when introduced in 1937 and the Douglas aircraft company made a total of 129 of the planes.

But its slow speed, light defensive armament and lack of manoeuvrability made it easy prey for the Japanese Zero fighter and it was taken out of active service after the Battle of Midway in 1942.

Jaluit was the Japanese headquarters when it administered the Marshall Islands from World War I to the end of World War II, but was relegated to a remote backwater when the US took control of the islands in 1944.

With a population of about 1,500 people, it has many armaments, downed planes and concrete bunkers from World War II, but remains a remote outpost, about 150 miles (240 kilometres) from the capital, Majuro.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... um4FaDXZTA

As a long-time TBD enthusiast, I am absolutely shocked to hear that Amelia Earhart flew one of the Devastators from VT-5 which ditched at Jalauit.



With that out of the way, I'm keeping an interested ear to the ground on this one... the idea of a real, live TBD above water (especially from the Yorktown) is almost too much to bear, so I cannot help but wish them well. But I still have a nagging feeling about the organization itself...

Why haven't they gone after 0353 yet? I thought that matter was settled in court long ago? Owen, do you have anything to add on this?

Cheers all,

Lynn

[Matt Gunsch]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

He could even do one to stick on a pole for Chris..............

Alright, c'mon, that was out of bounds...

Besides, it's not an F-82.

Lynn

Or a P-38

[warbird1]

Have TIGHAR even gotten permission from the Island's government AND the NHC or whatever they are called today. The article doesn't even mention that. Just for the record TIGHAR has been saying the exact same thing for at least 5 years now. It just makes me wonder if TIGHAR is getting a little short of money, and so they are trying to increase their exposure to get donations in. After all, that MASSIVE P-38 recovery in Great Britain really depleted their resources!

[mustangdriver]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

He could even do one to stick on a pole for Chris..............

That just sounds dirty

[Matt Gunsch]

Better yet, Allow Doug Champlin to recover the one he located, restore it for display, while using it as a pattern to make several replicas to be flown to honor the Hereos of Corral Sea and Midway.

That sounds like a plan as well.

He could even do one to stick on a pole for Chris..............

That just sounds dirty

Only until they pull it off the pole every few years and polish it...........

[mustangdriver]

Your killing me man.