PT-22 At Palm Springs

[TimAPNY]

I’m looking for info (BuNo #, FAA #.. ) on some of the Pond Collection:
PT-22
C-47
Goose

There were a few T-28s there also; I’ll have to see what ones I have pictures of.

Thanks

[mrhenniger]

You have come to the right place!

PT-22
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Model: Ryan ST-3KR Recruit
S/N: 41-15550 USAAF
C/N: 1579
C/R: N441V, ST3KR, 1579
Owner: Lloyd B Janzen
Markings: "U.S."
History: PT-22-RY (1941) 41-15550 USAAF, N441V
Pictures...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4583nsNsCv
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4620LnlXWu

Douglas C-47
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*NOTE* The section for the C-47 has been editted since the original post.
Thanks to Joe Sceil for the detailed history (see Joe's post
below).
Model: Douglas DC-3 Dakota
C/N: 16007/32755
C/R: N60154, DC3, 16007
History: C-47B-25-DK 44-76423 USAAF, KN381 RAF TOS (1945/2), to 187 Squadron, to 53 Squadron, to 18 Squadron, K-39 RBAF TOS (1949/12/29), OT-CWR?, F-RAQF, F-TESZ, 4X-FNV IDF/AF, 4X-DCE IDF/AF, N60154
Owner: Palm Springs Air Museum
Pictures...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5359eSCTiC
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5852AvIEaN
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5899yVFZhy

Goose
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Model: Grumman JRF-6B Goose
S/N: 66331 USN
C/N: 1161
C/R: N95467, G-21A, 1161
Owner: Air Metal Fabrications Inc.
History: JRF-6B (1942) 66331 USN, N95467
Pictures: Not Available right now

T-28
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Model: North American T-28B Trojan
S/N: 140041 USN
C/N: 219-40
C/R: NX28BP, T-28B, 140041
Owner: Pond Warbirds LLC / Palm Springs Air Museum
Markings: "BP"
History: T-28B (1955) 140041 USN, N9995H, to Planes of Fame East / Robert J. Pond / N28BP (1990/5/21), to Palm Springs Air Museum / Pond Warbirds LLC / Bob Pond (by 1998)
Pictures...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5777Ytujws
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5793yWjkjg
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5818YVmXjn

Feel free to browse my Palm Springs Air Museum album...
http://community.webshots.com/album/268846140EBsuCz
...since there is information for other PSAM airframes there in the captions.

Regards,

Mike

Last edited by mrhenniger on Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

[TimAPNY]

Thanks Mike

I must have over looked those a/c in your pictures.

[Joe Scheil]

The Palm Springs Air Museum's "DC-3" has never been an airliner or civil aircraft. I am not sure where the notations above came from, so here is what I have. By the way, any information or visits to the PSP air museum can be aided by me as I am here during the week or weekend and share wrench duty at times. This is the place with wonderful resorts and several new arriving static aircraft this spring!

The C-47B-25-DK is listed as c/n 16007/32755 and was USAAF 44-76423. Was to RAF as KN381 in FEB 1945 and served with 187, 53 and 18 squadron with additional? base duties at Waterbeach and Oakington? before going to the Belgian AF 29.12.49 as K-39. The airplane was confused with KN381 on one site which went to 232, 262, 62, 114, 215, again 114 and finally to 52 squadron before being sold as G-AMVC. This is not this aircraft! The airframe is linked to the following registrations OT-CWR? "476423", F-RAQF, F-TESZ and then was sold to the IDF/AF as 4X-FNV "035" and was rebuilt as 4X-DCE "044". The aircraft was the one RC-47 ? that was converted to a low level bomb triggering aircraft, used to fly low broadcasting a signal that would cause electroniclly fired bombs to go, an airborne minesweeper. There were many antennas, kind of like the RC-12 Guardrail! This C-47 and all others in service at the time were offered for sale upon withdrawl in January 2001, and due to the fact that all military equipment was still intact, including the full navigators station and even the sextant! in the astrodome, seemed to all have a good future. Unfortunately after our was ferried out many of the others were found to have heavy corrosion and were scrapped at Lod, ending the story of the longest serving military C-47's in the middle east. I am unsure of the final tally of survivors from the IDF/AF sale. Our aircraft went to Washington state for a while before purchase, and is still in Israeli camo. We will repaint and restore the aircraft to represent an 8th AF C-47 and hopefully use it to transport our members to airshows in the future. So get your uniforms ready!

AS for the T-28's there is one at the museum, Bu 140041 and the other one on the field is 140035, kind of a coincidence.

[Oscar Duck]

Oscar Duck is on his way to the USA next weekend. First stop Ca. to get the Griffon o/haul going for my Spit followed by hols at Palm Springs with the family- any warbirds there???

A couple of other warbird "adventures" are planned and who knows Mrs Duck could get yet another surprise. Anything in Boise? [any contacts for John Paul??? flew with him and his P-40 when I had my B-25 in Stockton, Ca 20 years ago]. Passing thru Detroit [father in law ex-B-17 combat F/E] onto Toronto, Atlanta, San Antonio and back home via LA. whew>>>

[mrhenniger]

The Palm Springs Air Museum's "DC-3" has never been an airliner or civil aircraft.

Thanks for setting me straight Joe. I think it may have been a volunteer at the PSAM that told me it was never military, but then I may have my wires crossed.

I'll edit my message above. Thanks for the details.

Mike

[Joe Scheil]

Next time any wixers are in PSP email me to sched a tour with me!

[mrhenniger]

Next time any wixers are in PSP email me to sched a tour with me!

I feel like an idiot. I forgot you were in PS. I was there for 4 days earlier this year. Had a great time though. The docents were fantastic and more than willing to talk.

Mike

[John-Curtiss Paul]

John Paul can be reached at the Warhawk Air Museum. 208-465-6446 www.warhawkairmuseum.org

[Brett]

Is the Warhawk Museum open to the public? Their website mentions bookings for school trips, but nothing about general opening hours.

Cheers,

Brett

[Laurent]

Hello,

A small addition to the history of C-47 N60154.
OT-CWR is the radiocallsign used by the Belgian Air Force, this was worn in large letters on the fuselage.
It is very likely that it was also worn as CW-R in the very beginning, but I don't have confirmation on this.

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

Laurent Heyligen
(Belgium)

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