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Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:14 pm
Here's one for you historians
What enemy combatant warplanes experienced the most combat between each other.
example: P-51 vs 109, zero vs F6F. Not the most kills, but mixed it up the most. possible trick question.

International question BTW
Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:50 pm
Franklin wrote:Here's one for you historians
What enemy combatant warplanes experienced the most combat between each other.
example: P-51 vs 109, zero vs F6F. Not the most kills, but mixed it up the most. possible trick question.

International question BTW
My WAG would be Bf 109s vs Il-2s. Or someting on the Russian Front.
Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:57 pm
Think possibly an allied airplane under different flags vs _______________

And I stated
aircraft not limited to just fighters.
Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:52 pm
B-17s vs. Bf 109s?
Spitfires vs. Bf 109s?
Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:14 pm
Spitfires vs 109s - probably the only fighters in front-line service in the ETO from Dunkirk in 1940 until VE day.
Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:30 pm
How about the two most produced Allied and Axis aircraft of the war?
B-24 vs Bf 109
Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:20 pm
TBDude wrote:How about the two most produced Allied and Axis aircraft of the war?
B-24 vs Bf 109
109 & IL-2 were the most produced IIRC
Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:58 pm
TBDude wrote:How about the two most produced Allied and Axis aircraft of the war?
B-24 vs Bf 109
According to that logic, perhaps the answer is Cessna 172 and Polikarpov Po2?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... d_aircraft
Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:30 am
Well, I did say "of the war" so that at least rules out the Skyhawk. But, yeah, I should have said Allied heavy bomber.
Sun Apr 17, 2011 4:48 am
really good question. i'm going to say......sbd vs zeros for the heck of it
Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:10 pm
Working the trick question angle here, I'm going to say Spitfire vs. Spitfire. I believe they fought on both sides of Israel's war of independence which makes them technically enemies of one another. Add to that the fact that they must have made an awful lot of them and they flew for many countries for a good long time, there must have been a bunch of training engagements between airplanes on the same side.
Am I close?
-Tim
Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:28 pm
Me/BF 109.
WW2 on Eastern and Western Front, Spanish Civil War, Israeli/Egyptian Conflict, Hungarian and Romanian air forces in WW2. How many were produced?
Country Year of use
Bulgaria 1940 - 1945
Croatia 1941 - 1945
Czech Republic 1945 - 1953
Finland 1943 - 1954
France 1939 - 1940
Hungary 1942 - 1945
Israel 1948 - 1951
Italy 1943 - 1945
Japan 1941
Romania 1942 - 1948
Russian Liberation Army 1945
Slovakia 1941 - 1945
Spain 1936 - 1965
Spanish Republicans 1937
Sweden 1942 - 1945
Switzerland 1938 - 1946
UK 1940 - 1945
USA 1942 - 1945
USSR 1938 - 1945
Yugoslavia 1939 - 1952
Borduria unknown
Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:00 am
It would be hard to imagine that the 109 isn't at the top of the heap in context of air to air sorties and engagements with other a/c. Th IL-2 was produced in similar numbers but the number of LW fighters on the Eastern Front to engage them was far smaller than the west.
The Spitfire and Fw 190, respectively should slide in behind the 109, but remember the Spit didn't truly engage in 1944 over Germany while the 190 fought a huge number of sorties from 1942 on.
Zero fought all during WWII but the numbers of opponents re: 109 and Fw 190 against all Axis fighters and bombers on all fronts in Europe, were far smaller.
Just my opinion.
On the US side, the 51 and F6F probably top the heap for US in 1944 and 1945 because they were respectively the point of the spear over Germany and Pacific, but I would think well below any of the above except for Zero - The P-38 and P-47 flew a lot of sorties (more than 51 and F6F) but if engagements with enemy aircraft is the guideline you have to look at it carefully
Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:48 pm
drgondog wrote:It would be hard to imagine that the 109 isn't at the top of the heap in context of air to air sorties and engagements with other a/c. Th IL-2 was produced in similar numbers but the number of LW fighters on the Eastern Front to engage them was far smaller than the west.
The Spitfire and Fw 190, respectively should slide in behind the 109, but remember the Spit didn't truly engage in 1944 over Germany while the 190 fought a huge number of sorties from 1942 on.
Zero fought all during WWII but the numbers of opponents re: 109 and Fw 190 against all Axis fighters and bombers on all fronts in Europe, were far smaller.
Just my opinion.
On the US side, the 51 and F6F probably top the heap for US in 1944 and 1945 because they were respectively the point of the spear over Germany and Pacific, but I would think well below any of the above except for Zero - The P-38 and P-47 flew a lot of sorties (more than 51 and F6F) but if engagements with enemy aircraft is the guideline you have to look at it carefully
Very well thought out and very accurate as well for the argument of the 109 and IL-2. I would still add to the discussion the allied aircraft used by several nations.
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