Low Pass!!!!!

[expat]

Found this on Flightlevel350
Bloody low!!!!!!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-L-2 ... 1887338/M/

Found this on Flightlevel350
Bloody low!!!!!!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aero-L-2 ... 1887338/M/

I wonder if there is a second photo after the completion of the wheels up grass field landing??

[Cessna172RG]

I was there too (during EAA Argentina's 30th Annual Convention) and the Delfin never touched the grass. Here is a video of that day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnWiJL0U ... re=related

I was there too (during EAA Argentina's 30th Annual Convention) and the Delfin never touched the grass. Here is a video of that day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnWiJL0U ... re=related

What would you say the air speed was?

[BK]

I was there too (during EAA Argentina's 30th Annual Convention) and the Delfin never touched the grass. Here is a video of that day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnWiJL0U ... re=related

The above may be lower but this one is more impressive. If the Delfin hits the ground, he skids to a stop and walks away. This guy hits the ground he'd dead and take all of his buddies with him.

Ground view http://youtu.be/g-lBirdqRpg

HUD view http://youtu.be/xDDxU5sB-SI

[Cessna172RG]

What would you say the air speed was?

I do not know...

The above may be lower but this one is more impressive. If the Delfin hits the ground, he skids to a stop and walks away. This guy hits the ground he'd dead and take all of his buddies with him.

Ground view http://youtu.be/g-lBirdqRpg

HUD view http://youtu.be/xDDxU5sB-SI

Yes, and there is an open thread on the IA 63 Pampa low pass here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=41250

Regards

[RickH]

What would you say the air speed was?

No more than 250 kts ! Low passes are NEVER more than 250 kts!

[Aircraft Mech Paul]

Hi Guys,

I figure if he gets much lower, you can put blades on his belly and you'll have a heck of a lawn mower. And you won't have to waste a lot of time getting your yard done either....a few passes and bingo...finished.

Paul

[oscardeuce]

Stupid!

Goodway to kill yourself or others.

Why?

You want to call your best friend's wife after a stunt like this kills him? Even worse, you want to be standing next to her while she watches it happen. I just have zero tolerance for this kind of thing. Was it not a pattern of similar behavior that lead to the crash of that B-52? How many innocent lives were lost to that show off.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=UJb08ZzejAA

I say suspend their tickets.

[warbird2]

Poor form on the part of the L-29 pilot...he left both his boarding steps down. I wonder if that might suggest Photoshop?

I love low passes like this and I always have. Especially places outside of North America where there are not restrictions on them. I would not say that I would want to ride on all of them but I do like to watch.

The guy in the B-52 did not kill himself and everyone on his crew by doing low passes. He was very good at them and there is a lot of video to prove it He did it by flying a plane beyond where it could be controlled. He did it routinely and got away with it due to luck and a failure of leadership. He was also violating Air Force and FAA rules. Those type rules may or may not be in force where the Argentine's fly.

[warbird2]

Duplicate message.

[davidbray]

Poor form on the part of the L-29 pilot...he left both his boarding steps down. I wonder if that might suggest Photoshop?

I love low passes like this and I always have. Especially places outside of North America where there are not restrictions on them. I would not say that I would want to ride on all of them but I do like to watch.

The guy in the B-52 did not kill himself and everyone on his crew by doing low passes. He was very good at them and there is a lot of video to prove it He did it by flying a plane beyond where it could be controlled. He did it routinely and got away with it due to luck and a failure of leadership. He was also violating Air Force and FAA rules. Those type rules may or may not be in force where the Argentine's fly.

So obviously if its not against the rules, it is okay to go ahead and be a individual of questionable judgement? There are no rules against me hitting my head against a brick wall, you don't see me doing it. There are plenty of other things that aren't against the rules, should we all start doing things just because there is no rule against it? That has to be the worst reasoning behind a low flyby I've ever heard. The Argentine flyby was reckless and dangerous to those in the plane and especially those on the ground.

[warbird2]

So obviously if its not against the rules, it is okay to go ahead and be a individual of questionable judgement? There are no rules against me hitting my head against a brick wall, you don't see me doing it. There are plenty of other things that aren't against the rules, should we all start doing things just because there is no rule against it? That has to be the worst reasoning behind a low flyby I've ever heard. The Argentine flyby was reckless and dangerous to those in the plane and especially those on the ground.

Just because you do not have the skill or ability to pull off something like the pilots in question do, does not mean that they do not know what they are doing. Go ahead and hit your head against the wall if you want but that is not going to make your example any more relevant. People that fly very low to the ground on a regular basis get very good at doing just that. Just like people that drag their knees on the pavement when making turns on a motorcycle get good at that as well. Those that do not choose to do it always seem to be the ones saying how dangerous it is.

People do not get to fly that low in the USAF. There are rules against crews doing it or I promise you would be seeing much more interesting videos on youtube. Is it dangerous? Yes it is certainly more dangerous in many respects than flying at altitude and it certainly is not something that every single pilot has the skill to pull off. But I fail to see how either of the videos we are talking about put anybody in danger, other than the people in the plane. The L-29 went right down the runway, nothing to hit but the ground. The other guys on the really cool pass did not seem to be tied to the ground! It sure did look like they were enjoying it. I would say that they knew the risk and chose to take it.

There are people calling for these pilot's tickets on this thread and it did not even happen on this continent. Maybe it is not against the regulations to do it where they are.

[oscardeuce]

Just because you do not have the skill or ability to pull off something like the pilots in question do, does not mean that they do not know what they are doing. Go ahead and hit your head against the wall if you want but that is not going to make your example any more relevant. People that fly very low to the ground on a regular basis get very good at doing just that. Just like people that drag their knees on the pavement when making turns on a motorcycle get good at that as well. Those that do not choose to do it always seem to be the ones saying how dangerous it is.

People do not get to fly that low in the USAF. There are rules against crews doing it or I promise you would be seeing much more interesting videos on youtube. Is it dangerous? Yes it is certainly more dangerous in many respects than flying at altitude and it certainly is not something that every single pilot has the skill to pull off. But I fail to see how either of the videos we are talking about put anybody in danger, other than the people in the plane. The L-29 went right down the runway, nothing to hit but the ground. The other guys on the really cool pass did not seem to be tied to the ground! It sure did look like they were enjoying it. I would say that they knew the risk and chose to take it.

There are people calling for these pilot's tickets on this thread and it did not even happen on this continent. Maybe it is not against the regulations to do it where they are.

Would you kindly post your picture so I never get in a plane you are flying?

3 weeks ago a 27 year old man pushed the envelope in his sports car. He lost conttrol and hit an SUV with 6 kids 19-21 years of age. The daughter of a friend of mine was killed. She remains 19 forever. I happened to come upon the wreck on my way home. in 15 years of EMS and Emergency medicine. I have never seen such damaged cars.

So the guys jumping out of the way of that "really cool" pass were not in danger?

I'm sorry, but to use the terms "really cool" to describe that pass shows lack of judgement. Unless there is some mitigating circumstance. Why ever fly that low, especially in public.

Maybe I am getting old and not as bold, but I do not operate my warbird this way. I would not let anyone else operate my aircraft that way either.
I know there are excellent pilots out there in the civilian and military world, but you make it sound like if you do not fly 3 feet off the ground you are being a wimp. That may have worked in middle school, but has no place on the tarmac. It is one thing to be on a mission and have no choice. One thing to be a display pilot.

I'm sorry, but in what we do with our warbirds, safety has to some first. Even the perception of unsafe flying can ruin our "hobby".

Even if it is not against the regulations, you have to ask yourself; "is it a smart thing to do?"

[mustangdriver]

Agree 100%