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New Photo Contest-What the H*ll is this Thing???????

Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:47 pm

I'm clueless.
Hint it's German!?
PLEASE-if you know hold off screaming out the answer and see what others come up with!
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:04 pm

Is this he type that the Female German test pilot flew a demo with? Inside of a builing I think. EDIT Nope. Just checked and that plane was a Focke-Achgelis FW-61. It had twin rotors also but they were set far apart instead of 'Kaman" style EDIT 2 Found it after a lot of searching and dead links. Looks like a Fl.... OK I'll let some others dig for a while.
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:08 pm

Nope-Hannah flew a autogyro.

Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:11 pm

I know what it is... and yes it is German.


I can see you guys haven't fully explored the Warbirds Resource Group Site yet ;)
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:12 pm

Elwyn wrote:Is this he type that the Female German test pilot flew a demo with? Inside of a builing I think. EDIT Nope. Just checked and that plane was a Focke-Achgelis FW-61. It had twin rotors also but they were set far apart instead of 'Kaman" style EDIT 2 Found it after a lot of searching and dead links. Looks like a Fl.... OK I'll let some others dig for a while.


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http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/fw61.html

Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:34 pm

Mmmnn...nice hummingbird! Are you sure it's German?

Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:21 am

Scott WRG Editor wrote:I know what it is... and yes it is German.


I can see you guys haven't fully explored the Warbirds Resource Group Site yet ;)

Boy! You got that right. Could have found it in seconds instead of 15 or so minutes!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:18 am

Surprise!

I know this one (without consulting books)

Manufacturer's name "F"

Bird's name, "K"

Saludos,


Tulio

Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:18 am

Flettner Fl 282 Kolibri?

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Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:35 pm

Ok Loco,
I dug out a bunch of 20th pics so here's your prize.. :D
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Capt Dick Gatterdam and crew by P-38J 1944
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Lt Stizler 55th FS KIA by P-51D

Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:57 pm

Jack you got the coolest pics man! Must be quite a collection.
Robbie :supz:

Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:16 pm

Hi Jack, awesome photos! While you have the 20th pics dug out will you check and see if you have any for a friend of mine? His name is Lt. John B. Lee and he flew P-51D's with the 79th FG with Jack Ilfrey as his CO. His A/C was 44-15198 , MC-L, and was nicknamed EK & JAY BEE/ Suzanne/ Geronimo. Thanks

Tim Landers

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:24 pm

Tim.

I met John B. Lee back in 1999 when I attended the 20th Fighter Group Reunion in Savannah, Georgia, he seems like a great guy, showed me that he still carried a photo of his P-51 in his wallet. I wish I had talked to him about his time with NASA!

I've been trying to get ahold of him in regards to a multimedia CD-ROM I am compiling about the 79th Fighter Squadron, is he still around? I haven't received a response from the last e-mail address I had for him and I'd love his input.

And now, as requested, Lt. John B. Lee and his P-51!

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Jack, thanks for the great photos!

Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:27 pm

WOW!!! that was quick. Thanks!!! Here is a bio he sent me. I will get you in contact if you would like.



JOHN B. LEE (Biography)

John Lee was a Fighter Pilot in WW-II with the 8th Air Force, in England. He was in the 79th Fighter Squadron of the 20th Fighter Group. (His Squadron Commander was Jack Ilfrey, who was from Houston, Texas, who was the 1st Ace in North Africa in WW-II, flying the P-38 airplane.) John flew 52 combat missions in the P-51 Mustang, escorting the B17, and B-24 Bombers, and the British Mosquito Photo Reconnaissance Airplanes over Europe. He also conducted strafing missions of Airports, Trains and Train Marshalling Yards. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, 6 Air Medals and 3 Battle Stars. The Battle stars were for the “Battle of France”, the “Battle of the Ardennes”, (known as the “Battle of the Bulge”), and the “Battle of Europe”.
In WW-II, the Germans were ahead of the US in a number of Areas of Technology. They had developed the 1st Operational Rocket and Jet Airplanes. Wernher von Braun and his staff were on a rock island in the North Sea named Pennemunde. They had developed the 1st operational Guided Missile, the V-1, and the V-2 Rockets that were used to bomb England. John got to see these in missions over Europe.

After the war, he received his Degree in Mechanical Engineering with courses in Aeronautical Engineering, from VPI, (the Virginia Polytechnic Institute), at Blacksburg, Virginia. In 1948, he went to work for NACA, (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics), at Langley Field, in Hampton, Virginia. In 1958, NACA became the nucleus for NASA (the National Aeronautics and Space Administration), to start the Manned Space Flight Program. He was one of the first 35 people assigned to the Space Task Group that started the Manned Space Flight Program.

20 years later John found himself in meetings, and standing on the Saturn Booster Test stands with his WW-II adversaries, Wernher von Braun and his staff from Peenamundee.
He was Chief of the Mechanical Systems Section, on the Mercury Project. He later became a Technical Assistant to the Director of Engineering and Development. Up until his retirement, he was involved in the Design, Development, and Testing of the Space Craft Hardware, and the Technical support to the Mission Control Center, for the Flight Missions of the Manned Spacecraft
Mr. Lee has retired from NASA and now lives in Nassau Bay, Texas. He is on the Board of Directors for the Johnson Space Center NASA Alumni League. He is a member of the Space Center Rotary Club, and NARFE (the National Association of Retired Federal Employees).
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