Czech L-29 Down _ Dallas Area _UPDATE 12/13/12

[David_Aiken]

The 'copter newsman said Czech manufacturer...could this be an L-29? One wing is left with RED star.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Plane-cr ... 80361.html

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Plane- ... 78631.html

[bombadier29]

It says L-29 in the article and it doesn't have tip tanks. The majority of L-39s have tip tanks so that pretty much rules one of those out.

[DB2]

Very sad. The split flap arrangement visible on the remaining wing does seem to indicate it is an L-29.

[The Inspector]

One more time, when you post an accident or incident PLEASE include the location, I had to go to the link to discover that this happened in Cow Junction.
Again there are a number of us who have friends that have access to L-29/L-39 type aircraft and tend to get just a bit edgy, so 'L-29 crash near Dallas just before Noon, 2 presumed dead' is much better than what I first saw.
Thank You-

[Lynn Allen]

Sadly its out of my airport, Lancaster, KLNC. I never met the the driver but was told he was a Vietnam Vet with a lot of time and has owned the L-29 for a long time. I flew around the patch a few times this morning and watched him take off and then do some fly by's and land as he was giving rides. Later Chuck Gardner text me with the pictures. There is no word on the cause yet, so everyone sit quiet and wait please. I offer my condolences to the families of both lost...

Lynn

[CAPFlyer]

I wasn't really familiar with the pilot of this aircraft or this aircraft, but it's always a major loss when one of these guys is lost.

FOX 4 is doing their 5:00 spot live from CWAM and have interviewed several of the guys. I'm glad to know that those guys will be down there to help not only the families involved in this very difficult time.

[K5DH]

Very sad news. Sincere condolences to the families and friends of the pilot and passenger.

[Ztex]

Update....Crew identified.

Lord be with them and their families.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2012 ... unty.html/

[Andy Marden]

One more time, when you post an accident or incident PLEASE include the date, so that we do not keep thinking it is another accident.
Andy

[RyanShort1]

I sure hope this proves to be a mechanical incident, or something like that and not a physiological event...

Ryan

[RV8er]

I sure hope this proves to be a mechanical incident, or something like that and not a physiological event...

Okay, so I just gotta ask... why? How would a mechanical incident be "better" that a physiological event? Scratching my head over this comment...

[RyanShort1]

I sure hope this proves to be a mechanical incident, or something like that and not a physiological event...

Okay, so I just gotta ask... why? How would a mechanical incident be "better" that a physiological event? Scratching my head over this comment...

There's a public story on the web about an individual with the same name who could not bring his Mig-17 home due to a heart issue. Especially right now in aviation we don't need more medical stories / incidents. If it's a mechanical issue, then it can be isolated, and the problem fixed on other aircraft of it's type via AD or whatever.

Ryan

[Cvairwerks]

An older pilot with a physiological event is going to get some people in a pantywad about allowing older pilots fly and higher performace aircraft especially. Look at how many years it has taken to move the manditory retirement age for ATP's. With a declining pool of pilots and the entire pool itself aging, slapping on tighter age restrictions is going to further reduce the pool at such a rate, the airline system could be brought to nearly a halt. Look at how many ATP's are nearing the manditory retirement age. There simply isn't enough depth in the pool should the age get forced back lower.

Changing the medical requirements based on a combination of age and health history to a system that would use intermediate AME visits based on those criteria might be worth talking about someday.

[Ken]

might be worth talking about someday.

The day is already on the calendar. Anyone who already holds an ATP or will hold one after exiting the military (with few exceptions) is essentially already in the stream and one could flow out the staggered dates which each pilot will turn 65, be it tomorrow or 2054. The move to change the FAA's age 60 rule to age 65 merely delayed the outcome 5 years; the same basic problem still exists. Sorry to support the move off topic.

On topic, my deepest condolences to the families, friends, and fellow aviators. It's hard to explain a desire to go out and engage in an activity that is known to be deadly, yet many of us have spent a life immersed, personally, professionally, financially, and emotionally attached to aviation. "Once you have tasted flight ..." the saying goes. Again, my deepest sympathies.

Ken

[marine air]

CVAIRWERKS, There is no pilot shortage in the U.S. now or anytime in the next few years. The salary, working conditions, duty times, benefits packages, retirement opportunities, are horrendous for pilots now. WHen the pay comes back in line with the responsibilities and sacrifices professionbal turbine pilots have to make, the pilots will be there.
It's a terrible career choice and I only advise youngsters to go into the flying part of aviation if they are going the military route.
Second, almost all old pilots suck on some days. I had a geezer almost kill me last Tuesday, and I have many stories about pilots I have flown with in their 60's , 70's, and 80's.
Strippers, prostitutes, and ATP's should not continue to work until they are 90!