This is the place where the majority of the warbird (aircraft that have survived military service) discussions will take place. Specialized forums may be added in the new future
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:52 am
Warbirds dont die they just keep eventually reflying - ex Kiwi A-4 and MB-339 now flying in US...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... e=1&ref=nf
Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:01 am
seagull61785 , your comments were uncalled for. You can see this as an official warning. Next time a ban will follow.
Keep it on topic please. And without politics.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:49 pm
I love the scooters. I loved seeing them fly in the first Gulf War with Kuwaiti Air Force. I remember they had "Free Kuwait" painted on the dorsal hump. I miss watching them fly around the pattern at Miramar where I grew up in the 70's. Scooters and F4's. Those were the days.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:02 pm
One of the Draken avionics guys is a former USAF Demo Team chief - Carl "Opi" Falcione - a great guy and a lot of fun to work with. It is my understanding that this scooter is just one of possibly 6 or 7 that Draken has purchased. Although I really do not like the color - it should be low viz grey or high viz "1970s" colors
Tom P.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:41 pm
I'd like one of the NZ Bell 47G3s they have retired.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:48 pm
WIXMOD-Charlie wrote:seagull61785 , your comments were uncalled for. You can see this as an official warning. Next time a ban will follow.
Keep it on topic please. And without politics.
I apologise for the comments - it wont happen again.
Many of us in New Zealand are still ashamed at letting down our American and Australian friends and allies - that's all.
The positive thing is that the Skyhawks are flying again.
Thanks
Barry
Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:58 pm
wendovertom wrote:Although I really do not like the color - it should be low viz grey or high viz "1970s" colors
I was waiting for that. These aren't airshow planes, they're working military (contractor, anyway) aircraft. Camo would be the expected paint jobs for these...
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:35 pm
I was waiting for that. These aren't airshow planes, they're working military (contractor, anyway) aircraft. Camo would be the expected paint jobs for these...
Understood they are contract guns, but dark green?? I can see low viz gray before dark green - or maybe a splinter blue/gray. I cannot think of a paint scheme for a fighter/close attack jet that is that dark even the desert camo jobs are lighter overall than that. But, having said my 0.02, I am sure Jive and Snort know what they are doing.
Tom P.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:54 pm
Not sure what the beef is with the colour, it is just the standard RNZAF scheme with Draken's titles applied. Presumably they didn't think it justified the $$$ for expensive repaints of what, after all, are working aeroplanes.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:41 pm
Mike! How can you say that about the lack of proper color!

anyway, I know I should have made it far more clear in the original post that as a rule I like the USN color schemes. I know that these jets have a very specific job and purpose and color probably has little to do with anything other than perhaps cost to repaint. Although there are this little gems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBwI9aL-k7s and they aren't green or gray!
Tom P.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:32 pm
My mate flies one of the Draken A-4s i am hearing... lucky bugger.
Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:30 pm
Since we are on the subject of Draken - and yes I did enjoy seeing the A-4 and 2 Macchis go up during Sun N Fun yesterday - just wish they would have taken one of the Mig 21s up too.
Does anyone know the ID of the A-4 and Mig-21 that are parked in front of their hangar on display (behind the Homebuilt camping area for those of you at Sun N Fun).
Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:22 am
wendovertom wrote:Understood they are contract guns, but dark green?? I can see low viz gray before dark green - or maybe a splinter blue/gray. I cannot think of a paint scheme for a fighter/close attack jet that is that dark
Grey
was worn on some of the RNZAF Skyhawks for a time when New Zealand bought ten from the RAN. They were too high viz for our environment, and the fleet went green with the Euro 1 scheme, which was dark green, light green and medium gray camouflage. This scheme was later substituted across the fleet with the overall one-colour green scheme as now seen, which was cheaper to apply and just as effective. Green was the best colour for the New Zealand environment, where the aircraft were predominantly flying over very green bush and farm land here in NZ, as well as low down over the sea.
Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:34 am
yeah hands off our RNZAF ORIGINAL paint scheme!

Nice to see they have left the Kiwi symbol from the RNZAF roundel on the Dive Brakes!
Mon May 06, 2013 4:33 am
Nice to see some of the interest in the former RNZAF A-4K Skyhawks. I am a fan of many of the adversary paint schemes, but we always stated we were going to leave the A-4K's in the traditional RNZAF colors as a tribute. The jets have a really proud history and keeping as much of the paint and markings the same-- was really the least we could do.
- Jared
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