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Courtesy A6M2 sale pending

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:46 am

Anyone with an educated guess on who the new Zero-sen owner-to-be might be?

Zero

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:43 am

You woulden't want to be paying much,what would you say is a realistic price?

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:50 am

My Guess and it's just a guess - no real idea or info... Australia and I wouldn't pay more than $200.000 USD for it - Not a happy aircraft by all accounts on here and other forums which suggest it was not a great bit of work when last "Spannered"

Regards
John P

Zero

Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:02 am

I spose if you buy it for $200 spend $600 it's not a bad investment.
Pitty about having an 1830 in it original would be nice.
It's not realy a Zero but darn close.

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:58 am

Many times the deal falls through. Earlier this year the A6M2 was pending sale and the deal fell through.

And I agree that the A6M2 restoration is a piece crap. The Flight Magic Zeros are much more authentic. Even though they have 1830s, it is very similar to the Sakae.

I might be able to snoop around and find out who the prospective buyer is.

Eric

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:41 pm

I hope sometime when you guys sell something, someone without knowledge puts a low ball price and makes bad comments. If you're not involved, why comment? One of the reasons few comments come from the big names.

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:32 pm

FG1D Pilot wrote:I hope sometime when you guys sell something, someone without knowledge puts a low ball price and makes bad comments. If you're not involved, why comment? One of the reasons few comments come from the big names.


First of all I am a member of the So Cal Wing of the CAF where we have the A6M2 that is for sale, and the A6M3. When I called the restoration of the A6M2 a piece of crap, I was comparing it to todays restorations of warbirds, including the Flight Magic Zeros.

Eric

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:13 pm

FG1D Pilot
Firstly , this aircraft and it's restoration were very well known and documented through various publications and some of these were by the people directly involved in the now stalled attempt to get it going again often directly quoted.

All that was asked for here was speculation which is a part of the purpose of any forum - discussion - when an aircraft goes to public sale or tender it will be subject to discussion in the media and in public fora such as this one. You are of course entitled to your opinion and so am I.

You also need to be careful about commenting about the people who post here at least two of whom are involved on a daily basis in the detail work of aircraft restoration and whom are eminately respected in their fields.

As to price - my estimate is based upon what it is worth to me if I had to do it for myself based upon a complete rebuild and get it done here in Australia by a reputable shop and then wanted to sell it to get my money back - naturally it is ballpark based upon what a Total cost of production model would produce. IE what would be involved Vs what it would be worth.

To somebody else it might stack up differently.

I fail to see why people shouldn't venture their personal opinion on these matters I also think that buyers should be aware of all information about a potential purchase and yes even conjecture - If a person is going to make a purchase he will check out all information for himself and make his decision on all the available facts. Vendors on the other hand will sometimes present their product in a narrow and positive light with scant information in the hope of maxamising their profit. I hasten to add here that my view of Courtesy is that they go out of their way to describe the condition of their lots as they are and in the case of the Zero have gone to great lengths to indicate the actual state of the airframe. Nobody in their right mind is going to base a decision to buy or not on my opinion - they will check out all the facts and make a balanced decision or should do.

Kindest regards
John Parker

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:32 am

John, I also watch the threads, and my comment still stands. I do agree with what you had to say and am not "putting you down" nor did I question anyone's experiance. Speculating on where it goes or what it needs is one thing. Calling it names, especially by a member of the CAF, doesn't sit well. The aircraft is still a true and rare artifact and some, as can be seen by recent restorations, don't let money stand in the way. Mark Clark is a salesman and of course is going to look out for the seller and try to get the best price. I've had many dealings with him, and he does his job well.

Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:47 am

FG1D Pilot

Thanks for your post - there is no real argument here . As to Courtesy and Mark I have thre highest regard for him and his Company as well - as do most people I know - I also know of you and your reputation - unassailable - We don't need to have a falling out or harsh words - You have my hand shake on that.

As to the Zero I dan't know what was on it but I would buy it at the right price - it's just that i think I know what would be involved and what it would cost roughly so thats my opinion - doesn't have to be others - I don't think I called it names other than Unhappy - not technical but probably apt

Any way lets just move on and have some more fun which is what all of thiis is supposed to be

Kindest regards
john p

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:17 pm

The Pacific Aviation Museum, located at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, is negotiating a deal to buy our (CAF) A6M2 Zero for static display at their Ford Island Museum.

http://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/index.php

Eric

Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:47 pm

Well, all I was doing was reporting the news as I was told. :D

I'm not complaning if they buy it, it will give us more room in our hangar for an airplane that is airworthy!

Eric

Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:19 pm

Well Rob et al

i guess it gives them one that is fairly easily restored cosmetically so it can be displayed quickly without going to the trouble of sourcing a wreck and having it restored
John P
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