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Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:21 am

Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!....well.....a converted Buchon

In german only..... http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/messerschmitt-bf109/messerschmitt-bf109-g-fighterfactory?showall=&start=1

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Last edited by Michel Lemieux on Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:28 am

And the 2 seater project comming along also!!!!!

Amazing how much aluminium can be recreated/recycled!!!!! This cat has had more than 9 lives.......

http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/messerschmitt-bf109/messerschmitt-bf109-g-12?showall=&start=1

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Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:36 am

Michel Lemieux wrote:Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!....well.....a converted Buchon

In german only..... http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/messerschmitt-bf109/messerschmitt-bf109-g-fighterfactory?showall=&start=1

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The engine seen in this pic is NOT an airworthy one, but a dummy, used for fitting hoses, oil and fuel lines, accesories etc. The airworthy one (done by Mike Nixon) is / was on its way to Germany when the last update was made on October 19. Maybe the maiden flight will happen this year though, depending on weather I´d guess.

Michael

Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:56 am

redvanner wrote:
Michel Lemieux wrote:Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!....well.....a converted Buchon

In german only..... http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/messerschmitt-bf109/messerschmitt-bf109-g-fighterfactory?showall=&start=1

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The engine seen in this pic is NOT an airworthy one, but a dummy, used for fitting hoses, oil and fuel lines, accesories etc. The airworthy one (done by Mike Nixon) is / was on its way to Germany when the last update was made on October 19. Maybe the maiden flight will happen this year though, depending on weather I´d guess.

Michael

Where do they find these engines that still run?

Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:29 pm

Is the two-seater Yagen's as well?

Wasn't there a Spanish Civil War 109 being restored somewhere?


Chappie

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Mon Nov 03, 2014 6:06 pm

The two-seater build is owned by the Air Fighter Academy (Germany), which also has a Bf-109G-6 under restoration to airworthy at MeierMotors.

MeierMotors is also the one restoring the Spanish Civil War vet Bf-109E, which is owned by Robs Lamplough (England).

Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Mon Nov 03, 2014 7:02 pm

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With enough cubic dollars, anything is possiable

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Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:20 am

It will be interesting to see how the 2-place is utilised. If the P.I.C. will always be in the front, then I would go with the original style back canopy. If there will be times where the instructor/PIC is having to fly (takeoffs/landings) from the rear then I would suggest making a "field modification" with a canopy that slides aft instead of opens up and to the left like the front cockpit. Based on my experience instructing in antiques and homebuilts, I can tell you it will greatly aid the instructors forward vision if he can slide the canopy back a few inches.

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Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:43 am

Michel Lemieux wrote:Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!....well.....a converted Buchon

In german only..... http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/messerschmitt-bf109/messerschmitt-bf109-g-fighterfactory?showall=&start=1

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Lynn

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Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:36 pm

marine air wrote:It will be interesting to see how the 2-place is utilised. If the P.I.C. will always be in the front, then I would go with the original style back canopy. If there will be times where the instructor/PIC is having to fly (takeoffs/landings) from the rear then I would suggest making a "field modification" with a canopy that slides aft instead of opens up and to the left like the front cockpit. Based on my experience instructing in antiques and homebuilts, I can tell you it will greatly aid the instructors forward vision if he can slide the canopy back a few inches.


Marine air: Cockpit will be 100 % original G-12 style, both fromt and rear seat canopy opening to the right, no sliding canopy. Different to single seater 109 canopies the 2- seater ones are not hinged at the lower right side, but on the upper right side (I´d guess for stability reasons). You can see the cockpit construction on MeierMotors homepage, click the link and scroll down a bit.

http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/pr ... l=&start=1

Personally if it were my plane, I would have gone for the late Avia CS-199 style canopy, but who am I?

http://www.modelarovo.cz/avia-s-199-a-c ... ast-prvni/

There are pics of the single seater S-199 and 2-seater CS-199 Avia, Prague-Kbely museum, in fact a 109 with different engine (Jumo 211),and some modificationss, interestingly the (late) S-199 has a blown sliding canopy (I´d asume they used up the stocks of original canopies, when there weren´t any left, they used the ones seen). Both a/c are of the late versions, early Avias were Bf-109 G-10 or G-14 without mods. Main difference was that the 199´s used Jumo´s (most DB 605´s were lost due to fire in the storage facility), the S and CS-99 used DB 605.

Michael

Yagens 109 (my pics):

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Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:31 pm

That's a great looking restoration. Speaking of Buchons, I cringe when I see them in "The Battle of Britain". -Joe

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Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:11 pm

Nice page onthe two seat conversion. Nice! I also like how the Avia has a drop tank to help add range since the fuselage tank is removed for the second cockpit. I think this would be a welcome addition. I would also consider oxygen, cockpit heat, and relief tubes re-installed as the fewer landings made away from home base the smaller chance of tearing the aircraft up.

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Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:25 pm

I like the way Avia modified the angle of the wheel shaft angle on the landing gear to improve ground stability.....hence the bulge on the top of the wing for the wheel when in retract position.

BTW....whatever happened to Mathias and his reports on MeiersMotor????? Miss those!!!!

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Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:39 am

marine air wrote:Nice page onthe two seat conversion. Nice! I also like how the Avia has a drop tank to help add range since the fuselage tank is removed for the second cockpit. I think this would be a welcome addition. I would also consider oxygen, cockpit heat, and relief tubes re-installed as the fewer landings made away from home base the smaller chance of tearing the aircraft up.


Most G-12´s usually had a 300 liter droptank as well (G-12 R3), though were flown with and without. I doubt it will be possible to use a droptank on this one, AFAIK droptanks are only allowed for military a/c in Germany. A fixed one might be possible, but quite dangerous in case of a bellylanding.

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@ Michel Lemieux: Matthias has a lot to do beside his normal daytime job, maintaining / creating several websites and updating them. So he decided to skip those reports on MeierMotors here and on Keypublishings Historic Aviation Forum. Best to follow what´s going on at MeierMotors is 1. visiting their newmade homepage, German language only,(updated quite regularly, though not everything from the old one has moved there yet) 2. follow their Facebook site, updated more often, mostly in English. 1. link MM homepage, 2. one FB site.

http://www.meiermotors.com/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/MeierMot ... 9400376090

Michael

Re: Yagen's 109 getting closer to flght!

Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:22 pm

Today I found this video of the test run of DB 605 for Jerry Yagen´s 109. Uploaded by MeierMotors / Matthias Dorst, shot by Vintage V12. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-vaMqz ... e=youtu.be

Michael
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