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Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:45 pm

Thought this might be interesting for the odd nose; I'm guessing camera pod since it's a recon version?
Mosquito PR.XVI MS686 1.jpg


Mosquito PR.XVI MS686 2.jpg


https://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Photo-Lig ... 3755699675

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:44 am

NS686 was a PR.XVI.TT, fitted with H2X radar in that bulbous nose. She survived the war and was scrapped in 1947.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:44 am

"Mickey ships" were specially-modified Mosquitos that were equipped with the H2X radar set used on the B-17 Flying Fortress. A bulged nose housing held the H2X scanner with the amplifier and electronics crammed in the nose and bomb bay. The radar scope itself, though, was in the rear fuselage. Before the approach to the target, the observer had to climb over the equipment in the bomb bay and into the rear fuselage where he either photographed the radar display or filmed it with a movie camera. The purpose of the "Mickey ships" was to get radar navigation images of the approaches to German targets. These images would be then correlated with maps to provide the B-17 navigators with poor-weather approaches to high-priority targets in Germany.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:12 pm

Do you have an example of that radar image? I'm curious what would be visible.

Duggy009 wrote:Before the approach to the target, the observer had to climb over the equipment in the bomb bay and into the rear fuselage where he either photographed the radar display or filmed it with a movie camera. The purpose of the "Mickey ships" was to get radar navigation images of the approaches to German targets.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:10 pm

https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-g ... pg?id=6770
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H2S_(radar)
https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/edit ... wizard-war
https://www.482nd.org/radar

http://www.americanairmuseum.com/aircraft/18452
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Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:36 am

bdk wrote:Do you have an example of that radar image? I'm curious what would be visible.

Duggy009 wrote:Before the approach to the target, the observer had to climb over the equipment in the bomb bay and into the rear fuselage where he either photographed the radar display or filmed it with a movie camera. The purpose of the "Mickey ships" was to get radar navigation images of the approaches to German targets.


No sorry I do not would be interesting to see.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:16 am

Duggy009 wrote:
bdk wrote:Do you have an example of that radar image? I'm curious what would be visible.

Duggy009 wrote:Before the approach to the target, the observer had to climb over the equipment in the bomb bay and into the rear fuselage where he either photographed the radar display or filmed it with a movie camera. The purpose of the "Mickey ships" was to get radar navigation images of the approaches to German targets.


No sorry I do not would be interesting to see.


My links above provide some photos.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:42 am

Thanks Mike! Resolution is better than I would have expected. For some reason I was expecting more of a weather radar appearance.

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mike furline wrote:My links above provide some photos.

Re: Attn shoppers: Mosquito PR.XVI NS686 photos

Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:48 pm

"Before the approach to the target, the observer had to climb over the equipment in the bomb bay and into the rear fuselage where he either photographed the radar display or filmed it with a movie camera. The purpose of the "Mickey ships" was to get radar navigation images of the approaches to German targets."

The above "bogus" information appears in several of Martin W. Bowman's books on the Mosquito. The navigator entered the rear fuselage, behind the bomb bay, through the rear starboard hatch prior to takeoff. Besides navigating he also operated the Mickey equipment. He faced a scope showing images of radar returns. To his left was a "second" small remote scope with a 35mm camera attached to capture the CRT images at various distances to the target. There is NO evidence in 25th BG Rcn records, nor among their veterans, that a cine camera was ever attached to the CRT. The Mickey Mosquito radar mapping missions were cancelled in January 1945. In March/April 1945, AAF began using cine cameras to film the CRT in B-17 and B-24 aircraft according to 325 Photo Wing, Rcn records. After Mickey equipment removal, AAF assigned NS686 to train 492 BG aircrew at Harrington to fly Mosquito aircraft for OSS Joan-Eleanor Project.

NS686 at Alconbury 9 August 1944
Tropical Mk 16, Mickey H2X configured
654 Squadron, 25 BG Rcn. Watton as W-Wagon
18 March 1945, Transferred to OSS Joan-Eleanor project at 492 BG, Harrington.
44 Maintenance Unit, 22 June 1945
Scrapped 8 July 1948

The two black and white photos were obtained from color Kodachrome slides.
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