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Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:00 pm

For those who don't Facebook. It has moved into the display hangar. Final assembly and positioning next week.

ImageDouglas A-20G Havoc

ImageDouglas A-20G Havoc

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:41 am

Great to see progress on this, I remember reading about the heli-lift recovery from the swamp way back in the 90's. Congratulations to the guys at Pima on finally completing the restoration, she's been deserving of attention for years.

It was disappointing when she didn't end up coming to the RAF Museum, as was once the plan, but still Pima is a great home for her.

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:29 am

Looks great! Keep up the good work.

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:58 am

Boy there WWII collection is certainly growing. Wasn't the P-51 basically a parts aircraft? How much of it is original? I'd imagine we should expect to see the BF 109 next.

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Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:27 pm

Warbird Kid wrote:Boy there WWII collection is certainly growing. Wasn't the P-51 basically a parts aircraft? How much of it is original? I'd imagine we should expect to see the BF 109 next.

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For the Mustang? Probably about 60% is original North American parts from many sources. For the A-20 I'd guess it is about 75% original to this airframe as it left the factory.

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm

jamesintucson wrote:
Warbird Kid wrote:Boy there WWII collection is certainly growing. Wasn't the P-51 basically a parts aircraft? How much of it is original? I'd imagine we should expect to see the BF 109 next.

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For the Mustang? Probably about 60% is original North American parts from many sources. For the A-20 I'd guess it is about 75% original to this airframe as it left the factory.




It would have been close to 100% had it not been stripped of parts for "Hell'n Pelican" and "J" is for Jessica".

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:31 pm

It is looking good, James! After several visits seeing it in various states of restoration it is gratifying seeing it in the home stretch.

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:54 pm

I'm always amazed at the growth of Pima's WWII collection.

Many years ago, they didn't have much beyond transports, the B-24, B-17 and B-29. No fighters to speak of.

I know some here constantly feel the need to point out (criticize, incessantly moan about to show us how much of an expert or "purist" they are) that some are composites...but considering the cost of a "real" restored airframe...many of which don't have a lot of WWII metal left in them...I'm happy with what they have.

Better than nothing....or would the critics prefer a flying aircraft be grounded to put in the museum?

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:30 am

It would have been close to 100% had it not been stripped of parts for "Hell'n Pelican" and "J" is for Jessica".



Wonderful to see the three Boston/Havocs recovered by the RAAF, using our Chinooks and team, from PNG.

It's a bit churlish to suggest that Big Nig would be "close to 100%, if not stripped. The aircraft were not perfect when recovered by any means. Be happy we have three birds to see now...

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:55 pm

Invader26 wrote:
It would have been close to 100% had it not been stripped of parts for "Hell'n Pelican" and "J" is for Jessica".



Wonderful to see the three Boston/Havocs recovered by the RAAF, using our Chinooks and team, from PNG.

It's a bit churlish to suggest that Big Nig would be "close to 100%, if not stripped. The aircraft were not perfect when recovered by any means. Be happy we have three birds to see now...


"Churlish"??? I simply answered the question that was raised. Nothing smartass meant or implied!

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:58 am

Without the Australian RAAF involvement, we would not have the 3 aircraft to display. It is great to see all 3 finished for every one to enjoy both in person and photos through the web. I thought there was parts of others as well?

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:15 am

As a kid I @1979 I thought I saw several A-20 fuselages along the fence at Planes of Fame, Chino. Was I dreaming? Maybe they were A-26's??

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:41 pm

sandiego89 wrote:As a kid I @1979 I thought I saw several A-20 fuselages along the fence at Planes of Fame, Chino. Was I dreaming? Maybe they were A-26's??
Probably the ones that were part of the Tallichet collection. They had a fenced in area adjacent to their hangar in two different locations. I don't remember POF ever having one.

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:01 pm

bdk wrote:
sandiego89 wrote:As a kid I @1979 I thought I saw several A-20 fuselages along the fence at Planes of Fame, Chino. Was I dreaming? Maybe they were A-26's??
Probably the ones that were part of the Tallichet collection. They had a fenced in area adjacent to their hangar in two different locations. I don't remember POF ever having one.


That must be them. I remember more than one A-20 along a fence as we were driving on a road at Chino. Guess I should have said near present day POF. There were several very interesting yards there.

Do you know where the Tallichet ones ended up?

Re: Update on Pima's A-20G Havoc

Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:16 pm

Hello James,
I believe I have the reflector gunsight that mounts on top of the glare shield for your A-20. Please email me if you are interested.
Thanks,
Taigh
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