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Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:42 pm

I was reading about a Modeler who was finishing up his Monogram 1/48 B-17G as a late version, & I noticed that he was told by several readers to " Make Sure You STAGGER the waist gun positions ". I remember reading how later G models of the B-17 had Staggered Waist gun positions as opposed to the earlier Gs, and of course all E & F models being opposite of each other.
So my Question is; How Many Current/Surviving B-17Gs Have, or Had their Waist Gun positions Staggered ? Any converted to Opposite positions ? Thanks in advance.

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:02 pm

all the surviving G models have staggered waist windows

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Fri Oct 01, 2021 3:41 pm

Matt Gunsch wrote:all the surviving G models have staggered waist windows


Even the ones without chin turrets and posing as "F"s?

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:10 am

JohnB wrote:
Matt Gunsch wrote:all the surviving G models have staggered waist windows


Even the ones without chin turrets and posing as "F"s?


Taking the chin turret off is easy, no one has done the major sheet metal work to move the windows, the general public would never know the difference.

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:23 am

Matt Gunsch wrote:all the surviving G models have staggered waist windows

Except Shoo Shoo Shoo Baby? Compare with the other one:
shoo stagger.jpg

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:19 am

Matt Gunsch wrote:
JohnB wrote:
Matt Gunsch wrote:all the surviving G models have staggered waist windows


Even the ones without chin turrets and posing as "F"s?


Taking the chin turret off is easy, no one has done the major sheet metal work to move the windows, the general public would never know the difference.

"The Movie Memphis Belle" is a G model that has been modified to incorporate the earlier non staggered "F" style waist windows, complete with opening windows and air deflectors..

Re: Staggered Waist Gun Positions on Surviving B-17s..

Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:42 am

Thanks again for the replies, Everyone ! You're right, Matt, I Never noticed Nine-O-Nine, Every time I saw her at Stinson.
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