Moscow's Victory Park

[Fogg1]

Hello all.

Near the Great Patriotic War Museum in Park Pobedy (Victory Park) in Moscow there's a bunch of WW II aircraft on outside display. I've read somewhere that most of these aircraft are supposedly replicas, which I find hard to believe in some cases, and I'd like to know.

Does anyone have information on these aircraft?

The following was present in April 2005.

Ilyushin Il-4. New addition, believed genuine.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0840338/M/

Yakovlev Yak-3 '7'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841819/M/

Sukhoi Su-2 '27'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841245/M/

Bell P-63C Kingcobra 44-4011 '08'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0847437/M/

Ilyushin Il-2 (single-seat) '21'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841246/M/

Lisunov Li-2 (turreted) '17'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0848230/M/

Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4. Understood to be fake.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0262174/M/

Polikarpov Po-2 '4'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0955665/M/

Polikarpov I-15bis '14'.

Polikarpov I-16 '91'. Landing gear, engine don't look too good.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0423790/M/

Kochyerigin DI-6 '3'. Landing gear doesn't look good, but why would you build a replica Kochyerigin DI-6?
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contribut ... /3835L.jpg

Lavochkin LaGG-3 '24'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0260838/M/

Lavochkin La-5 '15'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0955667/M/

Again, does anyone have information on these aircraft?

Thanks,

Peter

[DaveM2]

Hi Peter

I visited in 1996 and have since become friends with the guys who either built or restored the vintage aircraft on display.see below for my comments

Dave

Hello all.

Near the Great Patriotic War Museum in Park Pobedy (Victory Park) in Moscow there's a bunch of WW II aircraft on outside display. I've read somewhere that most of these aircraft are supposedly replicas, which I find hard to believe in some cases, and I'd like to know.

Does anyone have information on these aircraft?

The following was present in April 2005.

Ilyushin Il-4. New addition, believed genuine.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0840338/M/

Genuine

Yakovlev Yak-3 '7'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841819/M/

Yak-3M. New production aircraft from Orenburg

Sukhoi Su-2 '27'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841245/M/

Mock up

Bell P-63C Kingcobra 44-4011 '08'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0847437/M/

Rebuilt from several wrecks

Ilyushin Il-2 (single-seat) '21'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0841246/M/

Rebuilt from a wreck

Lisunov Li-2 (turreted) '17'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0848230/M/

Genuine

Messerschmitt Bf 109F-4. Understood to be fake.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0262174/M/

Scale mock up

Polikarpov Po-2 '4'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0955665/M/

Don't know

Polikarpov I-15bis '14'.

Mock up

Polikarpov I-16 '91'. Landing gear, engine don't look too good.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0423790/M/

Mock up

Kochyerigin DI-6 '3'. Landing gear doesn't look good, but why would you build a replica Kochyerigin DI-6?
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contribut ... /3835L.jpg

Mock up

Lavochkin LaGG-3 '24'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0260838/M/

Mock up

Lavochkin La-5 '15'.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0955667/M/

Mock up

Again, does anyone have information on these aircraft?

Thanks,

Peter

[Fogg1]

Dave, thanks a lot! That's more information than I could have hoped for.

Kind regards,

Peter

[B-29 Super Fort]

Is this the park where the B-29 lookalike the Russian TU-4 is displayed?

[DaveM2]

No it isn't, I don't think any are displayed in Russia, only in China

[Saabmeister]

No it isn't, I don't think any are displayed in Russia, only in China

There is a TU-4 at Monino.

[DaveM2]

Okay, thanks. Didn't manage to get there unfortunately.

Dave

[Fogg1]

No it isn't, I don't think any are displayed in Russia, only in China

There is a TU-4 at Monino.

Yup.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0860850/M/
Be sure to go there next time, Dave. Incredible place.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=5962

By the way, does anybody know what the things are for that are lying under the fuselages of some of the Moscow aircraft, such as the the Li-2, Su-2, P-63

[phil65]

Whats with the jack stands? Is it to keep the tires from getting flat-spoted or just to keep you from knowing the tires have gone flat?

[ww2John]

I'm not a curator, but, aren't static display a/c often put on "jacks" to take the a/c weight off the tires/wheels?

[Django]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0860850/M/
Be sure to go there next time, Dave. Incredible place.
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?album=5962

Did you guys see that "star wars" floatplane?

[Fogg1]

Did you guys see that "star wars" floatplane?

You mean this thing?
http://vtol.boom.ru/rus/VVA-14/VVA-14.htm

[Django]

So bizarre...