Bell P-39N-5 Airacobra - 42-19027

[Originalboxcar]

Courtesy has this listed for sale and the registry and pacificwrecks has the same s/n listed as a static display for POF -> http://warbird-photos.com/pof8-21-03/images/pict7358.jpg

The ad states that this is a composite pile of parts, but does anyone know if one s/n is available for restoration?

regards,

t~

[bdk]

Courtesy has this listed for sale and the registry and pacificwrecks has the same s/n listed as a static display for POF

Well, the POF example was on display in the hangar a few weeks ago, so there is no question these are different airframes at least.

[wendovertom]

The Courtesy site says that the tail section and main section probably belong to different planes - maybe the PoF plane has the tail section and Aero Trader has the cockpit section! either way I don't have the cash

Tom P

[Originalboxcar]

I suppose since one would need a s/n to register the aircraft and to show title then in this case $159K doesn't seem to be such an affordable price for a p-39. Especially when you would still have to "acquire" a dataplate and not to mention complete an entire restoration.

regards,

t~

[spookyboss]

Just something I heard about the P-39's the hard part for restoration is the transfer case from the prop to the engine seems be the hard part to find and or restore.
Spookyboss

[bdk]

I suppose since one would need a s/n to register the aircraft and to show title then in this case $159K doesn't seem to be such an affordable price for a p-39. Especially when you would still have to "acquire" a dataplate and not to mention complete an entire restoration.

If you register it as a "Bell/originalboxcar" P-39 built from parts you should be OK. You can then use any serial number you wish. It goes into Experimental Exhibition category so the provenence of the parts isn't so important.

[Originalboxcar]

I wasn't aware of the experimental category exception.

Thx bdk.

regards,

t~

[O.P.]

I might be wrong, but, very few warbirds would qualify for anything other than experimental/exhibition regardless of the SN-provenance-parts.

It would have had to be tested, or something, by the manufacturer and the FAA to get a standard or limited certification.

The only ones I know of off the top of my head are,

P-51D=Some can go into the Limited catagory
T-6=Some can be in the Standard catagory
A couple of very rare T28's are Standard catagory.

I know there are others.

[dj51d]

Most B-25s and B-17s can go into Limited category

[O.P.]

Hi Dan!

Did they get that because they were certified as fire bombers at one time?

[bdk]

Most B-25s and B-17s can go into Limited category

Executive transports I would guess. Firebombers are usually in Restricted Category with Agricultural aircraft.

I might be wrong, but, very few warbirds would qualify for anything other than experimental/exhibition regardless of the SN-provenance-parts.

It would have had to be tested, or something, by the manufacturer and the FAA to get a standard or limited certification.

The only ones I know of off the top of my head are,

P-51D=Some can go into the Limited catagory
T-6=Some can be in the Standard catagory
A couple of very rare T28's are Standard catagory.

Limited Category is the exception for warbirds, but not many were approved- although some rather odd ones were. Maybe for photo mapping, cloud seeding, and similar commercial purposes?

I believe the Fennec is eligible for Limited Category, and maybe the T-28A as Standard (under 800 HP?).

[Steven M. Dennis]

I suppose since one would need a s/n to register the aircraft and to show title then in this case $159K doesn't seem to be such an affordable price for a p-39. Especially when you would still have to "acquire" a dataplate and not to mention complete an entire restoration.

regards,

t~

I have a couple P-39 data plates with serial # available........

[vanguard]

Most B-25s and B-17s can go into Limited category

Executive transports I would guess. Firebombers are usually in Restricted Category with Agricultural aircraft.

I might be wrong, but, very few warbirds would qualify for anything other than experimental/exhibition regardless of the SN-provenance-parts.

It would have had to be tested, or something, by the manufacturer and the FAA to get a standard or limited certification.

The only ones I know of off the top of my head are,

P-51D=Some can go into the Limited catagory
T-6=Some can be in the Standard catagory
A couple of very rare T28's are Standard catagory.

Limited Category is the exception for warbirds, but not many were approved- although some rather odd ones were. Maybe for photo mapping, cloud seeding, and similar commercial purposes?

I believe the Fennec is eligible for Limited Category, and maybe the T-28A as Standard (under 800 HP?).

The T-28's that are standard category are very few. They are known as "NORD'S" The 800 HP would have to do with the old LOA requirement, not its category of license. Another funny one is the P-40 The N model can be limited, the other models are experimental

[RickH]

There is an FAA list of WWII era aircraft that are eligible for the Limited certificate. A-26 is eligble. The category was closed decades ago and no new types are eligible. The following table is from the FAA site regarding special airworthiness certificates. http://www.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/

Category
Purpose(s)
14 CFR References

Primary Aircraft flown for pleasure and personal use 14 CFR section 21.24
14 CFR section 21.184
Restricted Aircraft with a "restricted" category type certificate, including:
Agricultural.
Forest and wildlife conservation.
Aerial surveying.
Patrolling (pipelines, power lines).
Weather control.
Aerial advertising.
Other operations specified by the Administrator.
14 CFR section 21.25
14 CFR section 21.185
Limited Aircraft with a "limited" category type certificate 14 CFR section 21.189
Provisional Aircraft with a "provisional" category type certificate for special operations 14 CFR part 21 subpart I
Special Flight Permit Special-purpose flight of an aircraft that is capable of safe flight 14 CFR section 21.197
Experimental Research and development.
Showing compliance with regulations.
Crew training.
Exhibition.
Air racing.
Market surveys.
Operating amateur-built aircraft.
Operating kit-built aircraft.
Operating light-sport aircraft.
14 CFR section 21.191
14 CFR section 21.193
14 CFR section 21.195
Multiple Multiple airworthiness certificates 14 CFR section 21.187
Light-Sport Operate a light-sport aircraft, other than a gyroplane 14 CFR section 21.190

[bdk]

The T-28's that are standard category are very few. They are known as "NORD'S" The 800 HP would have to do with the old LOA requirement, not its category of license.

Thanks for polishing off the fuzz on my erroneous statements vanguard!

These appear to all be Standard:

T-28R-2 N28DS

Note regarding T-28R-1 & 2: (Prior to civil certification, military model T-28A aircraft must be modified in accordance with Hamilaton Aircraft
Dwg. List No. 674 to become Model T28R-2 aircraft or Dwg. List No. 674-1000 to become Model T28R-1
aircraft.) http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/8a081107dd34493d85256738005af22f/$FILE/A1we.pdf

T-28A N2814G
T-28A N9612C
T-28A N2808G
T-28A N9677C
T-28A N8156L
T-28A N14141

I was unable to find anu B, C, or D-models that are Standard.