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Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:11 am

Anyone have a good online source that we can see where she served?
Google didn't do much. We are about to start her clean up and I want to get the proper paint scheme.
1951 Hiller OH-23B Raven US Army 51-16225

Thanks
Drew

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sat Oct 10, 2015 2:14 pm

The silence to your query has been deafening.

I'd imagine it was in the standard Army gloss green of the time, the only exceptions might have been if it was assigned to Ft. Wolters as a trainer or in the white/red arctic/desert scheme. If it was a NG guard ac, of course that would be reflected...which is why you need the ac's service history.

I do have a MSN...for you: 407.

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sat Oct 10, 2015 4:23 pm

...deafening because of the way the question is phrased: the answer is that there's no online source - but why should there be?

I'd suggest an enquiry to AFHRA at Maxwell AFB.

I did check my cards, but they stop after the 51-13*** F-86s.

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:15 pm

Who bought it surplus? IF it was in upstate NY in the 1970s, I may well have a picture of it in its original colors...

All the ones I saw were FLAT paint, never saw a glossy one.

Mark H

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:47 pm

P51Mstg wrote:All the ones I saw were FLAT paint, never saw a glossy one.
Mark H


Remember, this is a "B" model we're talking about with a FY 51 serial. [/b]

My guess it, and the rest of the "B"s, would have been surplused in the early 60s....so it's a VERY good chance that it never wore later-style paint.
By the mid-60s and the change of Army paint, the Army had 300+ improved H-23Ds and almost 800 of the Gs.
At any rate, I can almost guarantee that Bs weren't in Vietnam in the mid 60s. Remember, Bs look considerably different than later models, so they're easy to tell apart.

I know by the early 70s, the later H-23D-Gs were being surplused. There was an outfit near Fairchild AFB that converted them into civil machines. IIRC, they were ex-NG ships, since by then as the AD forces had switched to OH-6s and OH-58s.

Unlike the OH-13S, which saw combat service in Vietnam before the deployment of OH-6s and OH-58s, I can't say I've ever seen a H-23 in the later flat Vietnam-era paint with black letters...then again I've learned never to say never because sure enough one was painted like that somewhere.

By checking Joe Braugher's website, it seems it's sister ships survived military service.. 51-16224/ MSN 406 went onto become N6746C...but is no longer on the registry, while 51-16226/408 is at the Russell Museum in Illinois.

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sat Oct 10, 2015 10:24 pm

Thanks for the input! She was at a school in Northern Connecticut, Danielson I think it was called. It was state of CT owned/ still is.

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:48 am

It was Ellis Tech, Drew. Right at the airport in Danielson. Does it have an N-Number?

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:44 pm

I have a pic of 51-16283 in one of my Army aviation books and it appears to be od with a large national lnsigna on the cabin and the yellow "DANGER" on the tail boom.Also,there is a picture of OH -23 B 51-16226 under Google with the same paint scheme.

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:01 pm

I'm on the road coming back from Houston now......

The 23B's I recall were all sold in the early 1970s. A man in Utica NY... Frankie Marks.... Bought 3 of them. They were flat OD with black markings.... I've got some pics of them from old slides I scanned that I took at age 12/13.... The Army was selling helicopter piece meal (a few at a time) from 1972 or so until about 1975..... There were Bell OH-13Ds in the lots as well as Gs.... There were not any "big tank" 47s (IE TH-13Ts) that I saw sold in those days.... Hence old helicopters... On the 23s they were all flat bubble B models and only an occasional 23C or D which had a round bubble. A lot were really damaged and stripped of parts....

In about 1975 there was a sale at DM in Tucson of HUNDREDS of OH-13s and OH-23s, which I assumed cleaned out the stocks of all of those helicopters. I don't recall seeing anymore for sale after that..... I wish I had the old DOD sales bulletins, they were pretty interesting....

Mark H

Re: Looking for information on 1951 Hiller OH-23B 51-16225

Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:22 am

When I left Ft. Wolters in Oct. of 69 they were lining up the OH-13s with the main rotors removed to ship them off.If I remember correctly,I was in the the last flight to fly the OH-13.We used the E and G models to train in.
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