Looks like a T-6 more than an BT-13 or SNV

[airnutz]

Big OOPS on my part. I got fascinated in the pics and comparisons and didn't
look at there archives section!

SNV-2, BuNo 52067, 29/Feb/44 instructor and student survived..
www.scret.org/Valiant/Valiant_archives.htm

[Shay]

[When I saw the 2 images, I thought to myself why'd he land with the gear down?
'Course one could ask the same for the PB4Y-2...

Acording to the report they were attempting to take off without using flaps. They missed a step on the checklist according to the Navy. The PB4Y2 cleared the end of the runway at 10 feet and with the loss of ground effect, settled onto the water and hydroplaned until finally stopping and sinking in 2 minutes.

I saw another sonar image on the SNJ and I see what I thought were floats but I don't see a shadow showing that something is standing up off the wing.

Shay
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Semper Fortis

[airnutz]

Yep Shay, I eventually read the Navy report that SCRET provided on the site. The point of that statement was, that just because the landing gear appeared to be fixed, not to conclude it was an SNV in light of the PB4Y having
it's gear extended. Especially in light of commentary of people I consider to my
bettors in SNJ/SNV ID and the "positive" SNJ-5 ID. After I posted I then went
back to the site and found the written archive and realized this SNV-2 had already been
positively ID'd and researched by SCRET...hence the OOPS post! These folks
IMO, do a great job of of documenting the wrecks they are monitoring.
I wish they would provide more photos..They're a long term project, so I imagine
over time that will improve. They seem to hook-up with local historians who
know of the artifacts they're discovering and take pains to note details.
Next time I'll take their info with less scepticism.

It was also interesting that the PV-2 also went in skipping 3 times across the lake
on it's tires before her plunge into the water...and he had his flaps down!

[Paul Krumrei]

Ok, now try to convince me that the plane on the bottom of the lake is an SNV.

The picture here is the side scan radar, and a pattern of a BT-13 upside down. Look at the wings There is no way, that is an SNV, it is an SNJ.

[airnutz]

Ok, now try to convince me that the plane on the bottom of the lake is an SNV.

The picture here is the side scan radar, and a pattern of a BT-13 upside down. Look at the wings There is no way, that is an SNV, it is an SNJ.

I see what your saying Paul...but would you humour me and perform the
same magic with this image? Please don't overlay them..set the Inner Space image in the port-astern quadrant of an SNJ-5 silhouette.
www.innerspaceexploration.com/psnv1.html

[Paul Krumrei]

Hey no problem....I sounded kind of pissy, didnt mean too! I just love researching and debating these things!

I will find an SNJ and do the same!

Cool, this is great guys!

[Paul Krumrei]

Check this out. It is too hard for me to beleive it is a SNV.

[airnutz]

The wing attach point for the SNJ is immediately outboard of the landing gear.
On the Vultee the wing panel attaches a coupla feet out from the L/G strut.
Notice how the outer wing panel in the first scan image is "falling away" from
the center section....right at the attach area for an SNV.

Question! Where is this on an SNJ or SNV?...
www.scret.org/Valiant/gallery/images/img_windows-1.jpg

[snj-5]

Those look like IFF lights. All I can say is if those are IFF
lights, the picture is not of the belly of an SNJ/T-6 tailcone
(that's where the IFF lights are located on an SNJ/T-6).

Bela P. Havasreti

[airnutz]

Thanks Bela, yes they are from a series of u/w photos I posted a link to
on the 1st page of this thread...
www.scret.org/Valiant/Valiant_images.htm