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Hello,

On my spare time, I like to research topics that interest me. One of the things that I have always been interested in has been the attack on Pearl Harbor and the air combat that was seen that day over Oahu. Despite the usual claim of only a few or so American aircraft airborn during that attack, the truth of the matter is that SEVERAL dozen American aircraft were airborn/or became airborn before, during, and after the attack. The number of American aircraft airborn is roughly around 70! Yes, 70 American aircraft! A variety of aircraft saw action, which is partly why I am so interested in the attack. I guess my main goal is to interest people and help explain the little known facts of Pearl Harbor. As with my job on the message board I moderator I like to post articles, or as I like to call them segments. Just something to interest the board and hopefully someone will learn something that they did not know. So, here is a small sample.

Bellows Field: December 7, 1941.
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Most of the 44PS was based at Bellows Field Oahu on the morning of December 7, 1941. That day at the base station were 12 P-40B and C models, and some O-47 and O-49 observation aircraft that were part of the 86 Observation Squadron.
Like Haleiwa Field, Bellows Field was used for training operations and hence the reason only three pilots were on station at Bellows on the morning of Dec. 7th 1941. A single strafing run by a Japanese Zero alerted the three pilots and they began to suit up to take off. Lt. George Whiteman in his P-40B took off first, and was quickly shot down and killed by Japanese Zeros. Next up was Lt. Sam Bishop who succeeded in making a successful take-off. Meanwhile Lt. Hans Christenson was killed just has he jumped into the cockpit of his P-40C. Meanwhile, Lt. Bishop in his P-40C was wave hopping when a Zero spotted him. He was shot down, but lived and had to swim ashore with a wounded body. That was the 44th's first combat action. Today Whiteman Air Force base is named after Lt. George Whiteman.

Remember the few!


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Very informative post, thanks!

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Here's somethimg you might want to investigate.

What happened to all the wreckage from the attacks?

The majority of it was probably bulldozed into dump holes and buried. But where are those dumps today?

And what could be salvagable from those old dumps?


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Salvaged Arizona components are lying in the jungle on the Navy base.


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That's been repoted since the war, and yet no one has any current pictures of it. Why is that?


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DIK SHEPHERD wrote:
That's been repoted since the war, and yet no one has any current pictures of it. Why is that?


Dik, are you referring to Arizona remains or aircraft dump sites? There are
Arizona salvage remains images on the web. They were in storage as Rick
stated at the Navy base Waipio, but I think they were moved to Park Service
outside storage some time back.

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What happened to all the wreckage from the attacks?


Most of the aircraft wreckage was dumped outside the harber entrance. That is what I was told. There is rumor that parts of the Arizona's Kingfisher is in a junkyard somewhere on Oahu.

The Arizona's "birdcage" masts are in the jungle somewhere. Probably on US Navy property.

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The Arizona's parts are located on inaccesible National Park Service Land.

They were shown on one of the History Channel or National Geographic specials a few years ago. There is not much recognizable. The masts were cut up. There is one part of some of the deck with the planking still on it. It is rapidly deteriorating though.


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All the air bases had their own dumps. I know a guy who was a kid back during the war and he and his friends used to sneak over to some of them and dump dive.

He said that after the war he say military personel burning truck loads of aircraft manuals at one of the dumps. He also has a bunch of I.D. models that he dug up from one of the dumps.

I've seen pictures of bulldozers pushing aircraft wreakage into piles and I doubt that they were getting ready to send it out to sea. The Navy may have done some, but the Army probably just pushed the stuff into what ever base dump they were at.

Who knows what could be laying under the ground over there?


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RickH wrote:
Salvaged Arizona components are lying in the jungle on the Navy base.


....safely hidden at a Pearl Harbor scrap yard at the tip of Waipi'o Peninsula, beyond a few miles of dirt road, a pair of locked gates and the public.

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I know there is an Arizona hatch door at the Nimitz Museum in Fredericksburg, TX...

Just a little FYI

Great Museum!

Here's the Google Earth scrap yard pics...

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About the Arizona's salvage being moved..probably my CRS kicking in again!
The part of the wooden deck Jiggers mentioned, I believe is the old ceremony
deck which they used in the 50's to raise and lower the flag over Arizona
removed to facilitate the memorial pavillion opened in 1962....
...at least that's what I gather from reading newspaper articles and the
reports of Arizona surveys conducted in the 80's and 90's.

The stored remains of Arizona are slowly being dispersed to various Vets,
museums and institutions after Navy approval. An article from Dec. 7 2005
Honolulu Advertiser explains some details....

Posted on: Wednesday, December 7, 2005




National Park Service historian Daniel Martinez examines rusting debris taken off the wreckage of the USS Arizona and stored at Waipi'o Peninsula. The Navy and park service carefully screen requests for parts of the Arizona to be used in historical exhibits.


Quartermaster 2nd Class Jody Wilson looks over parts of the USS Arizona that are stored in a scrap yard in a remote part of Pearl Harbor. The area is off limits to the public.




"Touching the Arizona is touching history"

It's not much to look at, really, just a large pile of rusting steel with no resemblance to a battleship.

Guarded by wasps and the thorny resolve of fast-growing kiawe trees, the brown steel has a languid look. From end to end, it's a little longer than a city bus and nearly as tall as one, too. It sags in places and many of its surfaces are covered with a thick layer of tiny, yellowed leaves.

But this is sacred steel — a section of the USS Arizona — safely hidden at a Pearl Harbor scrap yard at the tip of Waipi'o Peninsula, beyond a few miles of dirt road, a pair of locked gates and the public.

And despite unlikely surroundings, this is the birthplace of exhibits and memorials — 94 so far.

Military officers and dignitaries will mark the 64th anniversary of the attack with ceremonies this morning above the broken hull, most of them unaware of how close they are to the rusted remnant on the other side of the harbor.

At this quiet, tree-shaded point, pieces of the famous dreadnought are carefully cut and then shipped all over the country. The pieces are received with reverence and displayed with great affection.

Cities, museums, schools, restored U.S. Navy warships, patriotic and fraternal organizations, a veterans hospital in Phoenix and children of Pearl Harbor attack survivors have received a piece of the Arizona for display.

"This is a special thing," said Daniel Martinez, historian for the National Park Service's USS Arizona Memorial.

He recently walked alongside the section of the ship, occasionally touching it. Beneath his shoes, the only sound is the crunch of quarter-size flakes of rusted battleship.

"To have a part of this is to have a part of history," he said. "A keepsake from the tragedy."

AFTER THE ATTACK

The vast bulk of the Arizona still rests on the bottom of Pearl Harbor — at once a national icon graced by the gleaming white memorial above it and a tomb to hundreds of sailors killed on Dec. 7, 1941.

In 1942, large portions of the damaged Arizona were removed and most of it was shipped to the Mainland to be melted down and used in other war materials, Martinez said. A small wooden memorial was built in 1950 atop the boat deck and the galley below.

To allow for the current memorial, which opened on Memorial Day 1962, the Navy cut away wreckage that was too high off the battleship. Several tons of steel — the boat deck, galley and even the old memorial — were moved to the Waipi'o scrap yard, Martinez said.

The most recognizable section is "the potato locker," a vented room that held vegetables.

"The Navy, from early on, knew this was important," Martinez said. "They could have dumped it in the ocean. We don't know who decided this, but someone said let's keep it and preserve it."

Some surfaces have an oily, black residue that comes from ship oil embedded into the steel by the fierce heat of fires that raged over the Arizona for three days, Martinez said. The steel there is roughly twice as thick as rusting areas elsewhere.

It is slowly disintegrating, though.

Ships from this era were riveted — stitched together, Martinez said — and many rivets have rusted to the point where they have popped out. Some sections of steel are rusting in layers and flaking.

"This stuff is sharp," he said. "It's like a razor. It will cut you."

Still, there is no urgency to parcel out pieces of history before they vanish.

"The metal here is in a very dry area, so that's a plus," Martinez said. "The wreckage is in a secure place, so that's a plus. And it's not widely known it's here, and that's a plus."

REQUESTS BEGAN IN 1994

The rusting wreckage remained largely undisturbed until 1994.

At that time, survivors of the attack who knew of its existence were asking for pieces. Because it belongs to the Navy, it took approval by the secretary of the Navy and a notification to Congress before anything could be turned over to civilian groups.

The Navy and the National Park Service began to work together to ensure that all requests were legitimate.

The first piece went to the Arizona Capitol Museum in Phoenix in 1995.

Curators there revised the existing USS Arizona exhibit to accommodate the 7-by-8-foot "relic," said Joel Ayala, an exhibits designer at the museum.

Ayala has never visited the memorial in Pearl Harbor, but he sees the Phoenix display nearly every day. Visitors who have seen both describe similar experiences, he said.

"We get some of that from the survivors who spend a few moments with the relic," Ayala said. "They get quiet and I am sure there is a lot going through their minds. They pay their respects."

Several other pieces went to Arizona organizations.

Members of the American Legion in Yuma obtained a hatch cover and stuck it in a concrete display in front of their offices.

The veterans painted it battleship gray.

"This was rusty as heck when we got it, but we kind of redone it and cleaned it up and it looks pretty good out there in front of the post," said Korean War veteran and former post commander LeRoy Conrad.

Another piece is on display in Phoenix in a lobby at the Carl T. Hayden medical center, a hospital run by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The hospital carpentry shop designed a wooden base for the triangular-shaped piece of steel, which is about 18 inches to a side, said Kristi Miller, administrator for facilities services for the center.

A pair of red, velvet ropes guide visitors to the small memorial.

"We did not put glass or anything on it because we wanted people to be able to actually touch it, which they do," Miller said. "They go up very considerately and put their hands on a piece of history.

"We're really proud of it."

Many of the pieces released early on found a home with the help of 81-year-old Lorraine Marks-Haislip, former historian for the USS Arizona Reunion Association.

Even now, she has a piece stored in its original shipping crate in her garage in Sun City West, Ariz. Marks-Haislip wants to give it to the city of Surprise.

She first wrote to the Navy about obtaining pieces in 1992. A year later, she was standing on Waipi'o Peninsula, speechless at what she was looking at.

"It makes me sort of cringe," she said. "Those pieces that were below the boat deck where all those bodies burned to ashes. Their blood is there. Their blood is still on those pieces."

CAREFUL SCREENING

All requests for pieces are carefully scrutinized by the Navy and the National Park Service to ensure that the groups truly plan to honor the memory of the Arizona.

One of their biggest fears is that someone would obtain a piece of the wreckage and put it on eBay — which happened in 2001. The Navy intervened and the piece was returned.

The lure of the wreckage is undeniable, yet none of it is on display at the USS Arizona Memorial Visitors Center.

Park service historian Martinez believes a piece of the battleship that a person could touch would be popular among the memorial's 1.5 million visitors. The park service hopes to include just such a display when it replaces its visitors center with an expanded facility, he said.

The wreckage has a powerful message. Each piece of steel represents the story of Pearl Harbor.

"Touching the Arizona," he said, "is touching history."

The original article with a few photos is available here...
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/

As for the stuff dumped in the ocean off Pearl Harbor, I have been digging
around the University of Hawaii's lately for ocean survey stuff as well as
photo update of artifacts they've found. They state that most of the stuff is
in 1-3000 ft depth and they are starting to survey the debris fields for
interesting or promising targets. They then use some of that data to
investigate the more promising artifacts during "shakedowns" of their
submersibles or survey equipment...interesting work if you can get it..IMO.


Edit..couldn't make the H. Advertiser link work, but if you go to
http://ussarizonafacts.us
enter the site, pass your cursor over heading "The Ship" the lower most
subject is "Rusted Super-structure"..photos and the story of the elderly
lady who brought attention to the storage of Arizona's remains at Waipi'o.

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This is all well and good, and Danny Martinez is one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

But I'd like to find out about the different airfield's dumping sites from that period.

I'm sure that there was a dump site for each airfield, and that all the aircraft wreckage was probably taken to the individual airfield's dump.


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DIK SHEPHERD wrote:
This is all well and good, and Danny Martinez is one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

But I'd like to find out about the different airfield's dumping sites from that period.

I'm sure that there was a dump site for each airfield, and that all the aircraft wreckage was probably taken to the individual airfield's dump.


I have no doubt of your assertion Dik..get some maps..talk to some Vets..
a Ground Penetrating Radar..possibly some infra-red satellite scans of the
likely areas... permits to excavate and get after it! Don't get too pissed if
someone errs and refers to you as an Aviation Archeologist tho... :lol:

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HA, HA , HA :lol:


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