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hang the expense · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 9:05 pm

Ok Gang,P-40 (1) Mustang (goose egg).Some of you just might have seen this today. :lol:

Lynn Allen · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 10:40 pm

Kyleb · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 11:02 pm

Lynn Allen wrote:

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HTE has a bit of an obsession, if you will, for the P-40. He's made parts that are flying on a bunch of 'em. So when one of his P-40 buddies pounces on a poor 'ol P-51 and turns it every which way but loose, he is as pleased as a new papa.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Sun May 30, 2010 11:05 pm

I'm with you Lynn?????????????????? Without pictures it might as well be April 1!

Enemy Ace · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 12:21 am

Tom, What are you banging on about mate? :lol:

hang the expense · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 6:41 am

I cant say much but you may start to hear about it.The envolved parties put on one hell of a show with the Kittyhawk beating the brakes off the Mustang.

Nathan · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 6:47 am

I am a P-40 lover nut!

Rossco · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 3:08 pm

Under 15000 feet Iwould put my cash on the P40 in a turn fight.Any takers

Nathan · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 4:21 pm

Rossco wrote:

Under 15000 feet Iwould put my cash on the P40 in a turn fight.Any takers

The P-40 turned really well...as long as the speed was high. The P-40 could out turn a Zero as long as the P-40's speed was greater then the Zero. But get down to low speeds and the Zero's could outturn the P-40. Also the P-40 had one of the best roll rates of WWII even better then the Spitfire. Also the dive speed on the P-40 was one of the fastest in WWII.

I have spend a good deal of time trying to change the word on the P-40. Some people just won't have it. :roll:

But if you put the P-51 in place of the P-40 during 1941 and 1942 it would not have fared any better. The fact is we underestimated our enemies during the early days. Old tactics, and poor training I think was more of a facter for giving the P-40 a bad rap then the P-40 it's self.

daveymac82c · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 5:13 pm

I can't wait to hear more about this!!! I love the P-40 as well. She's a beautiful machine and quite capable. Under appreciated for all the hard work she did in all the theaters it took part in.

I've heard her roll rate was pretty good. I would love to fly a P-40 someday.

Cheers,

David

hang the expense · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 8:00 pm

Rossco wrote:

Under 15000 feet Iwould put my cash on the P40 in a turn fight.Any takers

As where most dogfights end up.You would have won big,big,big after the little get together this week end.

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

So was this some kind of "mock" dogfight, an informal aerial exhibition or something done for Hollywood / t.v.? I assume it was the latter since everyone is being so tight-lipped about it. Was it at least documented?

Just remember, it is the pilot that often determines the outcome of an aerial confrontation when two planes of similar performance, surroundings and circumstances are involved. Randy will be the first one to tell you that.

Some details would be nice instead of everyone speaking in code.

Nathan · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 8:46 pm

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Just remember, it is the pilot that often determines the outcome of an aerial confrontation when two planes of similar performance, surroundings and circumstances are involved. Randy will be the first one to tell you that.

Hi warbird1,

Please don't take this the wrong way it has nothing against you or anything. I just have to express my opinion on this statement that often comes up. I agree that the pilot does determine the outcome. But the plane also helps too. I sometimes feel this statement is a bash towards the P-40 that it could only be successful with a very very skilled pilot. The P-40 DOES have some good ablility outside the pilots command. I guess thats the point I am trying to make. Probably not worth much.

Thanks,
Nathan

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Nathan wrote:

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Just remember, it is the pilot that often determines the outcome of an aerial confrontation when two planes of similar performance, surroundings and circumstances are involved. Randy will be the first one to tell you that.

Hi warbird1,

Please don't take this the wrong way it has nothing against you or anything. I just have to express my opinion on this statement that often comes up. I agree that the pilot does determine the outcome. But the plane also helps too. I sometimes feel this statement is a bash towards the P-40 that it could only be successful with a very very skilled pilot. The P-40 DOES have some good ablility outside the pilots command. I guess thats the point I am trying to make. Probably not worth much.

Thanks,
Nathan

Quite the contrary. I'm saying that the P-40 is very similar in performance to the Mustang - something not often alluded to. I wasn't bashing the P-40 at all, I'm merely saying that for two roughly equivalent airframes, the experience and training of the pilots will often determine the victor in the dogfight, that's all.

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Mon May 31, 2010 11:18 pm

Nathan wrote:

Hi warbird1,

Please don't take this the wrong way it has nothing against you or anything. I just have to express my opinion on this statement that often comes up. I agree that the pilot does determine the outcome. But the plane also helps too. I sometimes feel this statement is a bash towards the P-40 that it could only be successful with a very very skilled pilot. The P-40 DOES have some good ablility outside the pilots command. I guess thats the point I am trying to make. Probably not worth much.

Thanks,
Nathan

Wow, not even flying one and you've got a P-40 inferiority complex??? Just kidding! :mrgreen:

Ryan

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