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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:03 pm 
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Here is an article talking about how the US upgraded 2 Broncos and they flew 120 combat missions against ISIS last year. The article called them antique planes. I wonder if anything will result from this test mission?

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ame ... ar-AAgyK0O


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Wouldn't it be something if OV-10 production started up again.

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The Black Ponies fly again!!! Go VAL 4 :supz:


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They should've re-started it years ago!

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Interesting topic. Kinda wonder what other "vintage" a/c the Pentagon is playing with besides the OV-10? Along that line.....I just located this article from yesterday talking about a few ideas on the table. I always fancied the A-10. Glad to see it will be around for a bit.

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09 March, 2016 BY: James Drew Washington DC

The US Air Force has begun studying future close air support (CAS) aircraft to succeed the Fairchild Republic A-10 as the Pentagon evaluates the weaponry it needs for “prolonged operations” of one year or more.

The flying branch is looking at tactical air support platform alternatives for low-intensity “permissive conflict” like counterterrorism and regional stability operations, similar to the types of missions being conducted Iraq and Afghanistan today, where air superiority has been achieved and coalition aircraft can roam relatively freely in support of ground troops.

USAF officials say a portion of a "combat air force study” is dedicated to considering alternative CAS aircraft: everything from the Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine, Sierra Nevada/Embraer A-29 Super Tucano, and the Textron AirLand Scorpion on the “low end” of the capability spectrum to more sophisticated clean-sheet attack aircraft or AT-X derivatives of the planned T-X next-generation trainer.

The study comes as the air force “re-phases” its retirement of the hardy A-10 "Warthog" that currently serves in the role. It has pushed back the fleet’s divestiture from this fiscal year to “between 2018 and 2022” at cost imposition of $3.4 billion.

Service officials admit that despite being an ideal close air support platform in high-end conflict with Russia, the long-delayed A-10 replacement, the Lockheed Martin F-35, will be too expensive to operate in the Warthog’s day-to-day role.

“[F-35] will be particularly capable in contested environments, like Russian doctrine where you would bring your air defences with you, because there will be a limited number of airplanes that can operate in that role,” USAF deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements Lt Gen James Holmes tells a Senate Armed Services subcommittee panel on 8 March. “It would certainly be an expensive way to go after a permissive environment mission and we hope to not have to do that, so we will look at other options.”

In written testimony to the AirLand Subcommittee, the four testifying air force officials explain that the study will support a decision process sometime in the next five-year defence spending plan, which covers fiscal years 2018 to 2022. “This will serve to ensure that other current platforms and future systems meet future close air support requirements,” the prepared statement says.

The A-10 was introduced in 1975 and upgraded to the more capable A-10C configuration in 2007. Its backers in Congress have consistently protected it from the air force’s budget axe.

Holmes told reporters after the hearing that the air force needs to figure out if it needs an entirely new attack platform or a more basic “off-the-shelf” option like the AT-6, A-29 or Scorpion before pushing forward with a new acquisition programme.

“There are some very low-end airplanes out there, like the A-29 that we’re partnering with for Afghanistan and training their crews in,” Holmes says. “The question is, is it enough? We know that an F-35 is too much, but is an A-29 enough for the mission set we need to do or do we need something in-between? Is there a derivative of our T-X platform that could do some range of lower-cost missions?”

Holmes cautions that the T-X Advanced Pilot Trainer programme hasn’t even entered development and still many years away from delivering the 350 training aircraft required to replace the Northrop T-38. An AT-X derivative would need to wait until the original trainer requirement is satisfied, and T-X initial operational capability isn’t due until 2024.

“I don’t want to add requirements to that, which would make it too expensive,” Holmes says, noting that the air force will likely need a new attack aircraft sooner.

“One of the hardest things to do in the [US Defense Department] budget process is to spend $1 this year to save $10 later because you can’t scrape up the $1 this year to do it because of other pressing needs,” he says. “You make that trade of paying more to fly an F-16 vice a lower capability airplane.”

The air force has been considering new ways to use F-15s and F-16s in the CAS role through upgrades and new tactics. DARPA has been experimenting with new tablet computer-based software that makes it easier for "JTAC" targeting specialists on the ground to call in air fire with greater accuracy and less collateral damage, under a Raytheon-led project called persistent close air support (PCAS). That programme demonstrated full functionality with an A-10C in May 2015.


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A striking resemblance to a "Bronco"

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates, March 8, 2016 – Boeing [NYSE: BA] and the Paramount Group, the South Africa-based global defense and aerospace business, have expanded their 2014 agreement to cooperate on an advanced mission system for a variant of the Advanced, High Performance, Reconnaissance, Light Aircraft (AHRLAC).

A high-wing, two-seat aircraft, AHRLAC is designed to incorporate advanced intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities and weapons systems. Boeing will develop an integrated mission system for the aircraft enabling ISR and light strike missions for the AHRLAC safety & security, and military variants. This militarised version will be known as Mwari.

Speaking from the Global Aerospace Summit in Abu Dhabi, Jeffrey Johnson, vice president, Business Development, Boeing Military Aircraft, said, "Through AHRLAC, we'll not only bring a flexible, persistent and affordable aircraft to the international market, but we'll also be developing world-class technology in Africa."

"Our relationship with Paramount will help us access markets that are new to Boeing," Johnson added.

The Paramount Group is the largest privately owned defense and aerospace business in Africa, providing fully integrated turnkey solutions to global defense, peacekeeping and internal security forces. Since its inception in 1994, Paramount has built strong relationships with governments and government agencies in more than 30 countries around the world. Paramount is a leading innovator in the design and development of state-of-the-art products that it manufactures in locations globally and has partnered with some of the world’s largest and most reputable organizations in the global defense community.
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Boeing proposed the OV-10X in response to the DOD's Light Attack/Armed Reconnaissance (LAAR) or Light Air Support (LAS) back in 2009/10

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It is about time SOMEONE at the high leadership level of the USAF realized that the F-35, while a great air superiority fighter, is out of its league when it comes to CAS.

Just ask any grunt what plane he would want backing a patrol up.

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I just wonder how much money the Air Force is squandering on this study, that study, this software upgrade, etc. all the while whining that the A-10C needs to be gotten rid of.

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A striking resemblance to a "Bronco"

An even more striking resemblance to 2/3 of an O-2! :lol:

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BigGrey wrote:
Here is an article talking about how the US upgraded 2 Broncos and they flew 120 combat missions against ISIS last year. The article called them antique planes. I wonder if anything will result from this test mission?

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/ame ... ar-AAgyK0O


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What we really need to use against ISIS targets is this "antique" warbird ...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:11 am 
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I always liked the OV-10 maybe because of it's odd shape. A few notes I've picked up along the way. Yes it has fuel for days, however a 2,000 hour BLM pilot CLiff LeBeouf told me it gets painfully uncomfortable after while. He said it's hot, noisy, if you drop your pen it's gone forever and you can't pass things back and forth from cockpit to cockpit. His preference was the King Air B200 with air conditioning.
A former FLightsafety instructor, Jim Clemmons with over 400 missions in Vietnam liked the OV-10 but said it was very underpowered, especially the A model.
I have a few hundred hours in a B100 King Air with the same engines. They are reliable and tough. They are what I call "First generation turboprops" Designed in the early 1960's the props are connected directly to the engine. So if the engine stops turning, you can't feather the prop and you're going down. Also if you lose oil pressure then the prop goes to flat pitch (instead of feathering on the newer, better Pt-6) and you're going down. There are a few more scenarios where if the prop isn't managed properly then you have big problems. And the wing is too short on the OV-10. It needs to be much longer.
I would like to see a joint effort between Cessna and Hawker Beechcraft. Go to the drawing board and take the best of the B200/B350/ C-12 platforms and their uses and the Cessna small jet designs starting with what they learned with the A-37 and civilian CJ-1, CItation Bravo, etc. A baby A-10 with fanjets but with payload and crew comfort and an adaptable crew mission cargo area. The OV-10 has a tiny fuselage that can't carry a lot of the ISR stuff.


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Slightly off topic but still awesome, hopefully a few airframes will survive the Apocalypse.

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