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daveymac82c wrote:
When recovering from a spin it is important not to use your ailerons because...

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Okay, okay, I've held my tongue for a bit on this subject but I'm gonna mention it anyway. Be very careful using absolutes like this.

Spin recovery procedures are not the same for every aircraft.

I have flown two aircraft which both have aileron use as primary spin-recovery controls (with the rudder, natch)!

Now, I'll admit that both of these aircraft are swept-wing jets, so not likely to be a problem for a new GA pilot, but so many people are throwing around absolutes like "never use aileron" that I am compelled to bring it up.

Here is the spin recovery procedure for the T-38:

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Lateral Stick – Neutral
Aileron – Full in Direction of Spin
Aft Stick – Full
Rudder – Opposite Spin Direction


I don't have a T-38 manual in front of me, so I can't quote it directly, but it says something to the effect that if aileron is not use in the direction of the spin, that it will aggrivate the spin such that recovery will be impossible.

So, gents, be careful about the flying advice that you give...or at least qualify it with what aircraft it works with.


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Randy,

What is "lateral stick"?

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oscardeuce wrote:
What is "lateral stick"?


In this instance, it means that any side-to-side (e.g. roll) stick deflection needs to be neutralized. It doesn't say "controls - neutral" because you want the stick back in your lap.


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Oscar, don't expect the military to talk like normal folks, if they did they would have to eliminate the position of restator, language, and the defense budget might be a little smaller. You might, like the rest of the world, then have the United States Air Force Museum, rather than National Museum United States Air Force. They also love abreviations, at Nellis they have alot of large buildings with plenty of room for a sign on the side. But don't expect them to write something simple on the front, like Fire Station. Much cooler to have MVERRC, or Motor Vehicles, Emergency, Fire, Rescue, Center.

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Ok, Randy, as the WIX guru on airplanes that most of us never even get to sit it; what is the spin recovery procedure for a flying wing, perhaps a B-2 bomber? How about the space shuttle outside the earth's atmosphere? Randy does have a good point that there are some exceptions to the general rule, and I imagine that corporate jets, either will not recover from a spin, or may require more or different input. The simple Beggs, or Pare method works for most small planes, especially if done RIGHT AWAY, as the first turn or two is still incipient entry, not a fully developed steady state spin.

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As far as acronyms go, seems like EVERYBODY has to have them. If you watch almost any TV program you'll hear them give the acronym or the full name of the referenced object/building/entity and then, in the next breath give you the acronym or the full name depending on which they gave you the first time. AAARRRGGGHHH!!! Let us up for GAWD's sake.

Mudge the redundant :?

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Great to hear from you M T R. How's the GSCS,PPR going? Just on the chance that a few of those on the WIX site aren't up to date; what I asked Mudge about what the Ground School Course Study, Private Pilot Rating ? I was curious to know how he was doing on that ? And don't despair, pretty soon you are likely to get a spell of good weather and make alot of progress flying.

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Mudge wrote:
As far as acronyms go, seems like EVERYBODY has to have them.

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